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I still can't understand why curling isn't a D1 sport. Especially in Florida. It could bring in hundreds of dollars a year.
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I'm fine with intercollegiate athletics. I was a Division I jock and learned a lot from my coaches and teammates. I just don't think colleges and universities should be providing de facto minor leagues for the pros. I say that because revenue sports mostly aren't profitable for the schools—though it's difficult to disaggregate things like development from the overall equation—and the hidden costs are terribly corrosive for many campuses.
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College atheltics is a big part of why the US women's soccer team has been so great over the last 10 years. Title nine gave these ladies another step to climb when most other countries where stopping them dead in their tracks.
This conversation is way more complicated than the powerhouse schools in basketball and football. There's a thousand athletes at most D1 schools that will be subject to these rules. They all deserve a little scratch for the effort they put into their schools image. |
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So pay 'em.
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separation of church and st... oops... I mean athletics and higher ed.
I don't $ee how $port$ have anything to do with education. Oh, if we pay athletes, how about grad students get a cut from patents? Riiight... |
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In my opinion "star" athletes are being paid ... they are being given an opportunity to use their athletic talents to earn a higher education at no cost or significantly less cost than the tuition/room/board most students/parents pay. Some athletes choose to use the opportunity for its intended purpose and many don't. Athletics - especially team sports - is a learning and development opportunity that pays dividends in life outside of sports... teamwork and leadership skills that have value in government and private business. As a percentage, the number of "well rounded" people who excel in academics and athletics is small - whether in primary education or higher-level. Those individuals who are "gifted", self-motivated, competitive (or whatever adjective one choses to apply) are usually found in business and government leadership roles because of the skills they've honed on and off the field of competition.
Viewing the situation as "extortion of black athletes" is akin to thinking the sun revolves around the earth - it might appear that way, but is not reality. Thankfully athletes are not recruited based on ethnicity but rather on athletic talent - the percentages are what they are without ulterior motive. There was a time when minority athletes were not extended the opportunities that exist today. No doubt some would argue differently, but if the student-athlete population was 80% white and 20% other I don't believe the dynamics of big-money college athletics would change significantly. Outside of income directly associated with athletics, athletic programs are leveraged to keep alumni engaged and donating billions to school endowments that benefit all students. It's not a perfect system, but I agree that it has helped produce some of the finest "education" programs in the world. Attempting to protect the concept of "fair" amateur athletics devoid of advantages that money can bestow isn't a bad concept. In realty the fairy tale of world full of amateur athletes competing solely for the joy of sport is just that. |
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The conversation really only works for the top FBS schools. Outside of that, athletics is just a massive cash drain for colleges. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-0 http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-1 Total spend for Texas They don't show a profit even with donor contributions. http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-1 http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-0 Texas A & M The generosity of donors relative to the athletic program is really amazing. Alabama http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-1 Georgia http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-1 Ohio State http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-1 Michigan http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...re_the_money-1 At the FBS level, the players really are professional athletes. And if you really want to split hairs, you can cut the pool down more by just focusing on Pac-12, Big10, SEC and ACC with a couple of independents. I had a link to a title 9 database with a much more detailed breakdown by university and sport for T9 compliance, but I can't find it now. Last edited by verticaldoug; 09-13-2019 at 05:29 AM. |
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I know someone that gets a check from MIT every year from royalties on a patent. He's sure his advisor gets more. OTOH, I don't know any grad students I have worked with that invented anything patentable. When the university would pay to file, we would patent things just because it makes sponsors happy. But they realized they weren't making money and fired all the patent lawyers.
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I have....it's pretty amazing..those big, black, SUVs come from somewhere..
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Those are from summer jobs, aren't they? As if that really explains a $50k car. I see football players driving really nice cars around town. Okay, still not as nice as the Saudi grad students or Chinese undergrads drive.
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And the NCAA doesn't currently just govern Power 5 Division I school. The vast majority of college athletes don't fall into the category of what we think is true of schools like Alabama, Texas, A&M, USC, Ohio State. And they don't play the big dollar sports, yet the rules apply across the board, even when they are being broken or not enforced. Last edited by msl819; 09-13-2019 at 11:33 AM. |
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I think the ferrari's belong to the High School students in LA to be fair.
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And not a dollar of that goes to the people actually playing the games. Amateurism has been the fig leaf the NCAA -- operating as a cartel -- has used to tamp down labor's fair share of the product they put out there. Pay the kids. |
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