New Rene Herse Nivex Derailleur

[maschine]

Thought this might be of interest to some folks here. Rene Herse Cycles just launched a new chainstay-mounted derailleur (up to 12-speed-compatible) that uses separate cables for shifting up and down, the updated Nivex. Priced at a cool $729. Anyone planning to build a bike around one of these?



More details here: https://bikepacking.com/news/rene-he...ex-derailleur/

[bicycletricycle]

i would like to try one, I am interested in pull pull derailleurs, the lack of spring tension makes the shifting so light. I will consider one for my next build.

[meyatt]

$750 for something that looks like a medieval french cooking device

I appreciate anyone willing to take a step back and ask why things are done the way they are and trying something different, but seems to suggest mechanical groupsets will end up mostly all looking and functioning alike or auteur 'classic car' pieces.

[bicycletricycle]

Originally Posted by meyatt

$750 for something that looks like a medieval french cooking device

I appreciate anyone willing to take a step back and ask why things are done the way they are and trying something different, but seems to suggest mechanical groupsets will end up mostly all looking and functioning alike or auteur 'classic car' pieces.

it certainly does look odd but in reality all derailleurs look odd, we have just gotten used to the look of some of them.

The price is just a reflection of the low volume production and high quality materials/manufacturing methods. Adjusted for inflation this might even be cheaper than a Paul or White Industries LMDS.

[Toddtwenty2]

I'd love to try one.

It's a tough sell to commission an entire frameset around a new and obscure rear derailleur, but I am curious and would love to feel what it is like to shift one.

Perhaps Jan will commission a test-fleet of his anniversary bicycle that we can try out during a Seattle visit.

[R3awak3n]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

it certainly does look odd but in reality all derailleurs look odd, we have just gotten used to the look of some of them.

The price is just a reflection of the low volume production and high quality materials/manufacturing methods. Adjusted for inflation this might even be cheaper than a Paul or White Industries LMDS.

exactly. After all said and done they will make less money per derailleur than Shimano/Sram/Campy.

I have no interest in it but I actually think it looks pretty cool and probably works well.

[meyatt]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

it certainly does look odd but in reality all derailleurs look odd, we have just gotten used to the look of some of them.

The price is just a reflection of the low volume production and high quality materials/manufacturing methods. Adjusted for inflation this might even be cheaper than a Paul or White Industries LMDS.

I get that, however insofar as I can tell from the post Jan made it's proprietary at the moment and can only be used with a few select Rene Herse frames. That makes it pretty different from Paul or White IMO.

[hummus_aquinas]

Given the status/collectability of the early paul or white derailleurs is this on anybody's radar to purchase for a similar purpose?

[bicycletricycle]

That is a big difference. It might be mitigated some by the market it is trying to serve. For the high end rando market (what is that 2000 people or so?) it isn't as big of a deal to have proprietary components (Sort of like frames built specifically for wireless SRAM or super clean Di2 integration in the more normal bicycle world). For the rando world having a frame built around specific components is relatively common. A nice rando set up would probably have customized racks, fenders, stem, wire routing, light mounts and brakes so adding a derailleur isn't as big of a deal as it might be for other markets.

Originally Posted by meyatt

I get that, however insofar as I can tell from the post Jan made it's proprietary at the moment and can only be used with a few select Rene Herse frames. That makes it pretty different from Paul or White IMO.

[bicycletricycle]

I didn't mean they are competing on the market. Just that the price of low volume CNC derailleurs has stayed relatively constant. I think the Ingrid derailleur is about 800 dollars as well.

Originally Posted by hummus_aquinas

Given the status/collectability of the early paul or white derailleurs is this on anybody's radar to purchase for a similar purpose?

[mlc]

That price is pretty crazy, and yes it is proprietary, but none of that stops the lust! A guy can dream...

[EB]

Nah

[David Kirk]

Has anyone seen the shifter that drives this derailleur? I've not seen it yet.

dave

[AngryScientist]

If I had a lot of free time and lots of spare money, neither of which I do...

I would absolutely buy one of these, and then take apart an AXS RD and rig the servo motor to activate this.

Just because.

[Xrslug]

Originally Posted by David Kirk

Has anyone seen the shifter that drives this derailleur? I've not seen it yet.

dave

This is what they’ve got for now — “indexed” for Shimano 11 speed.