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[shovelhd]

Originally Posted by cal_len1

A few things come to mind when I heard this:

- If he had taken that much, how was his heart not beating a million miles an hour? I'm a lifetime asthma sufferer, and I have doctors tell me all the time that it will raise your heart rate. Also, when taken in a large dose, I get the shakes, and apparently that's normal.

It definitely does.

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[csm]

Given the number of positive tests during and since the Lance years, is anybody really surprised that nothing has changed?
Seriously?


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[weisan]

http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news...ositive_453271

[KJMUNC]

Originally Posted by weisan

http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news...ositive_453271

This is why Froome's response is so idiotic and disingenious....there are already precedents fpr this exact case at lower levels where guys were suspended for a good chunk of the year. If they treaty this differently all bets are off.

[CunegoFan]

Originally Posted by weisan

http://www.velonews.com/2017/12/news...ositive_453271

In between Petacchi feigning ignorance about the availability in oral form, the key sentence in that interview is this:

"It is 100 for each puff, but to get 2000, how many times would you have to do it? You’d have to see see him on TV doing it."

People will rewatch the stage and count how many times, if any, Froome took a puff.

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[nate2351]

Honest question here, how much does dehydration affect the measurement? The test was taken at the end of a demanding stage at the end of Grand Tour.

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[marciero]

Originally Posted by cadence90

Zing! Good one!


Yep, indeed. Pedantry regarding language. Not lovin' it as nearly much.




Anyway, I'm just going to sit back, relax, and take a deep...oops.
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Sorry, just having fun..

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[DRZRM]

Across the hall arik said this. Seems to contradict that study:

"I am actually an asthma specialist and routinely give albuterol (the US equivalent of salbutamol) to people to help diagnose asthma. We do a breathing test (spirometry) before and after inhaling the drug. Albuterol DOES increase lung function (FEV1) up to 5-8% in healthy people, and wears off in about 4 hours. In people with uncontrolled asthma, the increase in lung function can be 10% or more, and we consider +12% to be diagnostic of asthma. So it is no surprise to me that cyclists would like to have a diagnosis of exercise-induced asthma and be allowed to use these types of medications, whether they have asthma or not. Can't speak to the masking effects but that would be the icing on the cake."

https://www.velocipedesalon.com/foru...tml#post879723

Here is an interesting article about it.

http://inrng.com/2017/12/chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/

Originally Posted by montag

Here's a systematic review on the subject.

"In conclusion, no significant effects were detected for inhaled β2-agonists on endurance, strength or sprint performance in healthy athletes. There is some evidence indicating that systemic β2-agonists may have a positive effect on physical performance in healthy subjects, but the evidence base is weak."

I suspect these guys are using them IV (systemic)...

[montag]

Not necessarily. That review is looking specifically at studies measuring B2 agonists' impact on athletic performance (VO2max, endurance time to exhaustion @ 105-110% VO2max, etc) and not FEV1.

So perhaps FEV1 does increase, but not in a way that is actually improving athletic performance by the measures in those studies.

Originally Posted by DRZRM

Across the hall arik said this. Seems to contradict that study:

"I am actually an asthma specialist and routinely give albuterol (the US equivalent of salbutamol) to people to help diagnose asthma. We do a breathing test (spirometry) before and after inhaling the drug. Albuterol DOES increase lung function (FEV1) up to 5-8% in healthy people, and wears off in about 4 hours. In people with uncontrolled asthma, the increase in lung function can be 10% or more, and we consider +12% to be diagnostic of asthma. So it is no surprise to me that cyclists would like to have a diagnosis of exercise-induced asthma and be allowed to use these types of medications, whether they have asthma or not. Can't speak to the masking effects but that would be the icing on the cake."

https://www.velocipedesalon.com/foru...tml#post879723

[verticaldoug]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.


I am just happy knowing that world class athletes have chronic health conditions. If they were really healthy, then they'd be unbeatable. Just imagine