Dating Legend Ti - help!

[Hilltopperny]

Originally Posted by msl109

C4s ti

It looks to be a late 90's to me with the 1" head tube and cable stop placement. Could be a 2000 as well, but I'm pretty sure they went to 1 1/8" head tube as early as 01.
Beautiful bike and certainly a worthy road machine!

[msl109]

Thanks - think you're right. Between catalogs and what I've gotten here on the forums, I'm being on 2000. Kind of glad it's not made a year later - I'm partial to a threaded quill setup. Very eager to ride it. Thanks for the compliment on the bike - pic doesn't do the finish justice, and it's almost mint.

[zap]

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Originally Posted by msl109

Got it with a Serotta Ti quill stem 90 degree (wish it were coventional rise, but ok)

Search this forum to see if there were any issues with the Serotta Ti stem.

Nice bike.

[oliver1850]

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny

It looks to be a late 90's to me with the 1" head tube and cable stop placement. Could be a 2000 as well, but I'm pretty sure they went to 1 1/8" head tube as early as 01.
Beautiful bike and certainly a worthy road machine!

You could still (for certain, it's in the catalog) get a 1" HT on a Legend in 2001. I'm not sure about 2002, but my Concours is a 2002 and came with a 1" F1. I'd guess if you wanted a Legend with an F1 in 2002 they would build you one. 1 1/8" HT was optional on the Legend in 2001.

[SpokeValley]

Originally Posted by rwsaunders

I had a 2001 Legend with 3D rear dropouts, head tube cable stops and a 1" threadless F1 Ti (dropouts) fork.

Mine, too.

[PaulE]

Originally Posted by msl109

I'd say the holes in the dropouts are small - you MIGHT be able to slip a coat hanger or a chain rivet through there - maybe two millimeters?

Those are the small hole 3D dropouts. I would say your bike is a 2000 or maybe a 1999 model.

If you look on PDF pages 9 and 10 of the 1999 Serotta catalog, you'll see a picture of the Legend on page 9, it has rear dropouts that aren't 3D and it is labeled as "Ti" on the top tube. The Concours is pictured on page 10, it has your dropouts and is labeled as "CTI" on the top tube. So it looks like 99 was the year they changed over, maybe the catalog was produced before they had a Legend with 3D dropouts, but the top tube isn't labeled "Legend Ti."

On PDF page 2 of the 2000 Catalog, you can see a whole pile of the small hole 3D dropouts. On PDF page 16 of that catalog, you can (barely) see the top tube decal says "Legend Ti."

When you get to PDF page 14 of the 2001 catalog, you can see that the holes in the 3D dropout are much larger, and they are now referred to as the "3D XL" dropout. PDF page 16 of the 2001 catalog has a picture of the Concours and another picture of the 3D XL dropout.

PDF page refers to the number in the header of the open PDF file, not the actual catalog page number by the way.

[msl109]

Originally Posted by PaulE

Those are the small hole 3D dropouts. I would say your bike is a 2000 or maybe a 1999 model.

If you look on PDF pages 9 and 10 of the 1999 Serotta catalog, you'll see a picture of the Legend on page 9, it has rear dropouts that aren't 3D and it is labeled as "Ti" on the top tube. The Concours is pictured on page 10, it has your dropouts and is labeled as "CTI" on the top tube. So it looks like 99 was the year they changed over, maybe the catalog was produced before they had a Legend with 3D dropouts, but the top tube isn't labeled "Legend Ti."

On PDF page 2 of the 2000 Catalog, you can see a whole pile of the small hole 3D dropouts. On PDF page 16 of that catalog, you can (barely) see the top tube decal says "Legend Ti."

When you get to PDF page 14 of the 2001 catalog, you can see that the holes in the 3D dropout are much larger, and they are now referred to as the "3D XL" dropout. PDF page 16 of the 2001 catalog has a picture of the Concours and another picture of the 3D XL dropout.

PDF page refers to the number in the header of the open PDF file, not the actual catalog page number by the way.

Thanks so much, man - 99% convinced it's a 2000.

[Ken Robb]

We are fortunate to have so many volunteer detectives in our group!

[Louis]

I've been waiting patiently for someone else to post this, but since no one has:

To the OP: No, I've been sworn to secrecy and will give you neither Bo Derek nor Christie Brinkley's phone number.

[msl109]

Originally Posted by Ken Robb

We are fortunate to have so many volunteer detectives in our group!

Very much so.