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ripvanrando provided the perspective of a hunter without stating his political preferences, so I don’t necessarily think this splits evenly along political lines. But I’m not an expert in the subject.
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Well as an old redneck farm boy comments like this just make me laugh and feel sorry for you at the same time. If only things were so simple...... Not that I necessarily agree with just killing off the wolves but I do respect farmers rights too and know there has to be a balance. Where I do wholeheartedly agree with a lot of folks from Idaho is the whole "please stay in California" thing. We're fighting the same sickness here in northern Utah. Last edited by jamesdak; 05-06-2021 at 12:08 PM. |
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kinda feels like the problem is ranchers expect the land to be sanitized of predators so they dont have to take responsibility for protecting their herds. thats how the white man's been doing it for at least a 1500 years, but its lazy and has driven predators to extinction in many corners of the globe which has its own consequences.
seems to me like the solution is to allow shooting of any predator attacking a herd/flock, while keeping "hunting" of wolves prohibited. so sorry that you'll have to guard your stock, i guess |
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For a historical perspective, I suggest Cormac McCarthy’s “The Crossing”..
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Here is some information about the history of reintroducing wolves to Idaho beginning in 1995. The unintended consequences were pretty staggering.
https://idrange.org/range-stories/no...tion-in-idaho/ |
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Lot's of talk from old rancher friends here in Utah about this also. And yes most of the old boys want them all exterminated. But they are still my friends. Reality is they will be a problem here shortly. Officially they are no wolves in Utah but yeah....they're here. I've seen a black one in an area not 5 miles from the house where there's a high concentration of deer and Elk. Just waiting for the day I see one with a camera in hand. |
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The general idea of it being their land to use and they can do anything they want with it kinda bothers me. I used to think this way. But as I got older, I don't think that way anymore. I don't think of myself as a Christian, but seems to me we are part of something bigger. Maybe the native Americans and their view of the land was better. My brothers and I inherited a 100 acre farm in Western NC, and our dad had the view it was his to do what he wanted. My brothers and I think we are just stewards of the land. A heavy topic. Interesting, but keep it respectful.
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Wolves are controversial in France and northern Spain too.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56530714
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Remember when they wanted to drain the Everglades......
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Wealthy ranchers with subsidized grazing permits on land stolen from tribes crying about having to deal with one or two cattle lost from wolves per year (although they can rarely prove the cause of the deaths) will never not be both funny and infuriating to me.
Unfortunately, like most land use issues in the inter-mountain west, bills like this are a combination of virtue signaling about western heritage and catering to well-off special interests (big game hunters and agribusiness). Nothing new here. |
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