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I'm sure they're great bikes, and I have no quibbles with the builders, but in the end, for my last "dream" bike, I'm going with a builder who built another frame I already own, and is a hell of a nice guy. He's really down to earth, and is also a family man, which matters to me now that I have kids. |
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while it seems reasonable that a new builder might charge "less" than an established builder for a frame, at what point and under what criteria does it then become ok for said builder to now claim "expertise" and charge what the "big boys" charge?
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Its tough to make that leap and go from $3300 to $4500 and just say that you are now a 'pro' (which I believe they both are and they were both on my shortlist for that shelved dream bike). |
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OK, I'm a frame whore. I won't go in to details, but I've looked at more builders over the years than I can justify - mostly for design and construction techniques. If anyone thinks they want a custom frame at a reasonable price and has to settle for a "new" builder or one with limited experience, that person is wrong.
Curtlo (Doug Curtiss) - 40 years of experience Andy Gilmour - 45 years of experience, steel/Ti/Alu (I have one of his frames) If you want to spend in excess of $3-4K for a highly regarded/known builder, do it (I have, thank you DK). But the aforementioned builders will leave you very satisfied, with some $$ in your wallet for other things. G |
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You price to meet your demand. If you've got more buyers than you've got time to build for, you raise your prices. You don't need to claim expertise. You can have built 5 frames or 500.
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Looks to me like a bubble made of a lot of non sense. There i said it.
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Facebook, Instagram and Social Media have been the tide that raises all ships.
Before Social Media you could get a Lobster, Zanc, Steve Rex, Primus Mootry and many other fine handmade custom frames for 1k or less. And all of this meant a new builder pretty much had to give his frames away for cost of tubes and paint. Last edited by John H.; 02-15-2019 at 07:14 PM. |
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It is svcking all good out of life. It is destroying politics and democracy in every country. Now it´s creating bubbles on cycling, photography etcetera. |
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I always figured someone that isn't charging $5000 for a frame with wet paint is just barely charging the margins it takes for a sustainable business. As someone pointed out above, there are established builders still charging less than $2k for a frame/fork. My guess is they can do that because they married into health insurance. But a lot of builders have a real job. So they are building in their spare time as a second job. I like to build frames, but I like to ride more.
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Economic conditions are good, so certainly people are spending more freely than they were 10 years ago, and likely bikes will suffer in the next economic downturn, but there's no reason to think there is anything inherently wrong with the bike market right now. |
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the bubble popped. Although I hear that framebuilding classes are really popular right now, so a batch of new people are showing up to under-charge for their work. It's like a pyramid scheme in that it looks a lot better from the outside.
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Costs for everything have gone up. It is what it is. If you like custom bikes and have the means, get one. It's only money. Life is short. Vote w your checkbook. Yafda yaffa.
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Yes, those days are long past.:.
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