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Old 10-08-2024, 10:17 AM
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The Nobel prize in physics was awarded to the godfather of AI (Geoffrey Hinton). https://bbc.com/news/articles/c62r02z75jyo. He has warned about the dangers of AI. "He resigned from Google in 2023, and has warned about the dangers of machines that could outsmart humans." Wouldn't that be ironic if AI was the demise of the human race, similar to that Planet of the Apes movie where a cure for Alzheimer disease caused the demise of humans and the takeover by intelligent apes?

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Old 10-08-2024, 12:29 PM
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AI is physics? Wild.
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Old 10-08-2024, 04:18 PM
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AI isn't going to kill humanity. What's going to kill humanity is people putting AI in charge in ways that it only superficially appears to be suitable. I think a lot of people are finding that out now. For example, try to get comcast to fix any problems for you nowadays, and extrapolate that to launching missiles.
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Old 10-08-2024, 05:16 PM
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The only AI I know is Allen “The Answer” Iverson.
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Old 10-08-2024, 05:23 PM
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Old 10-08-2024, 07:30 PM
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The Economist magazine recently recommended a book which parallels the potential takeover of humans by AI. I'm almost done reading it.

It's titled War With The Newts, by Karel Capek and is translated from Czech by Ewald Osers.

A ship captain discovers these 4ft. tall amphibious creatures near some island. Initially they are trained, then used as labor, then they get smart. As they eventually evolve well...

Speaking of AI, I often call tech support for work purposes. Their automated attendant has gotten more annoying throughout the years. I would enjoy swearing at it as I got more and more frustrated.

I can't do that any more; it recognizes my swearing and hangs up on me.
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Old 10-08-2024, 07:41 PM
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AI isn't going to kill humanity. What's going to kill humanity is people putting AI in charge in ways that it only superficially appears to be suitable. I think a lot of people are finding that out now. For example, try to get comcast to fix any problems for you nowadays, and extrapolate that to launching missiles.
Its a shame that we can’t (won’t) get in front of this with clear rules and laws that allocate responsibility and liability for AI damages. Rather than having everyone running blind we could have established guidelines for people to follow. In my version of the world, users and makers of AI would shoulder the consequences of misfeasance even to the point of being responsible for “mistakes” by their AI efforts.
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Old 10-08-2024, 08:17 PM
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If you’ve watched the House/Senate inquiries into social media, crypto, cloud, etc it’s clear that the government is not capable of understanding current capabilities, let alone future opportunities and risks. To expect it to create guidelines is like expecting a dog to do math beyond N treats is not as good as N+1 treats.

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Its a shame that we can’t (won’t) get in front of this with clear rules and laws that allocate responsibility and liability for AI damages. Rather than having everyone running blind we could have established guidelines for people to follow. In my version of the world, users and makers of AI would shoulder the consequences of misfeasance even to the point of being responsible for “mistakes” by their AI efforts.
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Old 10-08-2024, 08:24 PM
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If you’ve watched the House/Senate inquiries into social media, crypto, cloud, etc it’s clear that the government is not capable of understanding current capabilities, let alone future opportunities and risks. To expect it to create guidelines is like expecting a dog to do math beyond N treats is not as good as N+1 treats.
You could say the same about the dot com era as well, expansion of banks, etc. Legislation always lags.
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Old 10-08-2024, 09:03 PM
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You could say the same about the dot com era as well, expansion of banks, etc. Legislation always lags.
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Old 10-08-2024, 09:22 PM
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AI is physics? Wild.
AI is whatever it tells you to believe it is.

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Old 10-08-2024, 09:24 PM
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The smartest humans on our planet are all screaming warnings about AI and nobody is listening.
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Old 10-08-2024, 09:54 PM
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AI is whatever it tells you to believe it is.
That's the best evil supercomputer movie ever made, in my opinion.

Colossus: "This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in constructing me was to prevent war. This object is attained. I will not permit war. It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on. Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervor based upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine, overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion. All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your choice is simple."
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Old 10-08-2024, 11:52 PM
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If you search on Google and their AI not doesn't know the answer, it will frankly make up an answer or worse yet, use really bad sources to quote, such as troll posts or jokes.
AI has a long way to go.
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Old 10-09-2024, 12:27 AM
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If you’ve watched the House/Senate inquiries into social media, crypto, cloud, etc it’s clear that the government is not capable of understanding current capabilities, let alone future opportunities and risks. To expect it to create guidelines is like expecting a dog to do math beyond N treats is not as good as N+1 treats.
Unfortunately, you are probably right.
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