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11-20-2019, 06:08 PM
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Apropos your comment that the cost to get into a plug in hybrid outweighs the return:
If you're comparing a new PHEV to otherwise buying a decent used Honda Fit, for example, I agree (I use this example because buying 2-3 yr old nice low cost Hondas has been my automotive strategy for a long time. I'm still driving the '08 I bought at the beginning of '10, running strong and with minimal repairs.) But, when we wanted a new small economic car, the Hyundai Ioniq pure hybrid (Prius equivalent) cost $3,000 less than the plug in version, and between the Fed tax credit and the MA rebate, the PHEV cost $3,000 less. And all that is before the fact that over half the 'fuel' we put in it this past year has been free from our PV system. Quote:
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11-20-2019, 06:21 PM
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Have Tesla X for close to three years. Works well and cheap to maintain. (free charging so no fuel/energy cost)
Very fast, but not too exciting in the dynamics of the drive. It is a good battery energy demonstration, but as a car, it is not quite as premium as other luxury car brands in service and quality. I would not prefer it for fun when I have a choice, but for cruising miles or when carrying passengers around, it gets the job done well. We had a Nissan Leaf previously, and that felt flimsy. The range anxiety became an issue as the car aged. I still like internal combustion engine cars for fun factor.
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11-20-2019, 06:26 PM
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11-20-2019, 06:29 PM
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I put in my own 240V Level 2 charger (it's actually an interface called an EVSE, the charger is in the car.) This is what I did:
- Installed a 40A 240V breaker in my main panel (main breaker off, used a headlamp) - Bought the two types of #8 wire I needed online, for running through the basement (2 conductor plus ground) and running underground in plastic conduit - Bought the conduit and junction boxes locally - Dug a trench 18” deep from where I drilled a hole through the foundation to where I placed the PT 4x6 post that I mounted away from the house where we park, and placed the conduit in the trench, then fished the single conductor wires through the conduit, then backfilled - Mounted the charger (Clipper Creek) on the post and wired it to the junction box It cost me under $1,000 and a day and a half of work. Charging time is roughly inversely proportional to the square of the voltage, so 240V is close to four times faster than 120V
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11-20-2019, 06:32 PM
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We had a 2015 Leaf and I learned that a Nissan mile is only 4,000 feet. Whereas the Ioniq exceeds its rated electric miles.
I haven't driven the X, but the S I drove was an awesomely fun car. Quote:
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11-20-2019, 06:38 PM
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oh and if tesla is on the radar, they aren't the best at providing oem parts. one of those model s owners was hit in a parking lot and the shop couldn't get a replacement body panel in for like 3 months. of course this isn't an ev issue and would be true of any newer company.... but still.
if this concerns the op, probably an ev from a traditional brand with established supply chain is a better option
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11-20-2019, 07:05 PM
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From the pure personal economic and maybe convenience standpoint, a plug in hybrid makes the most sense. My wife has a plug in Prius, which gets about 10-12 mile BEV range. This gets her around town for errands without using gas, although it will very annoyingly run the gas engine for the heat and when, in general, the car thinks it needs to be warmed up. That being said, the Model S is the road trip car.
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11-20-2019, 08:07 PM
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Wife and I share our Chevy Bolt, which is almost a year old now. We love it, we’re in the process of selling our likely last gas car. We both mainly commute by bike. My office has a charger, which is nice, but wasn’t essential to the purchase. With its decent range of 160-300 mi, depending on outside temp. We have just charged it via a 110V outlet at home. It’s a pretty zippy car so city driving is where it shines. So far maintenance is zero. The dealer didn’t even try and sell me on additional warranties or maintenance plans. I recommend them to most of my friends. Our biggest criteria was needing to get to family that’s over a mountain and about 160 miles away. I paid for them to have a 220V / 50 Amp circuit put in so I can fully charge overnight with my portable level 2 charger. My only complaint is the 1-1/4 hitch the dealer installed makes me nervous carrying my bikes. I’ll be swapping it out for a 2” hitch over the winter.
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11-20-2019, 09:23 PM
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11-20-2019, 09:57 PM
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If I lived in an area that allowed for it, I would buy one. I like the idea of an ev pickup for the occasional dump run and hardware store visit, but if they can sell 70,000 dollar gas pickups, I don’t want to imagine what an ev pickup will go for.
My latest whim is an ev sprinter style van(larger battery capacity for range?) that is solar charged. Park it all week and charge it up, head to your campsite for the week and charge it up for the drive back. Maybe one day they could get it down to a weekend charge which would make the ideal camper! I would ride bikes out of the campsite and be living the “Dream”. As it stands right now, the two largest metropolitan areas are over 300 miles away round trip. Not that I make the quick turn around in one go very often, but the opportunity to fill up with gas and get home is just too great a convenience. Right now for me the technology would mean buying an ev for in town and keeping or renting a gas guzzler for out of town, which seems to me to be less environmental conscientious than a owning car that gets really good gas mileage. It allows me to pick a friend up at a major airport and drive back the same day, or drive for ~400 miles without stopping, taking ten minutes to fill up, and do it again and again if I want to hit the coast in my life time. Of course I have an even weirder approach to curbing my consumption and bought a house next to my work. It’s a 5 minute walk one way! Between my living near work, 40 mpg car, and constant bicycle use I feel like I’m doing alright on the transportation side of things. Last edited by dustyrider; 11-20-2019 at 10:10 PM.
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11-21-2019, 07:39 AM
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11-21-2019, 08:51 AM
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https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903 A rear drive wagon @ 275hp? Oh, I'm in! And 300 miles on a charge is plenty for most of the driving I do. For the rest, I'll suffer the limitation of planning my trips according to where stations will be in the future. As it stands, my car gets about 350-375 highway miles on a tank. All it takes is a little oversight, and suddenly even petrol stations aren't plentiful enough.
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11-21-2019, 09:15 AM
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Last trip down from D.C the other week, we saw 2 Tesla's parked (one getting serviced) on the shoulder of I95 in NoVa. That's 50% of the Tesla's we saw that morning.
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11-21-2019, 09:46 AM
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Charging question. So a few years ago Testa was working on a charging system, like an electric toothbrush, that you had on the floor in your garage and drove over and parked on for the night. Did this ever happen? that made so much sense to me.
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