P-R: 5/6 of the final break *do* likey disc brakes

[wallymann]

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[livingminimal]

cool thanks

btw that's Wout's bike post-bike change. What was he on before that?

[saab2000]

I think they likey the paychecks their teams pay them to ride what the sponsors provide.

Disc brakes are meaningless in a race like Paris-Roubaix. Yup, I went there!

[fignon's barber]

I don't care which format wins (rim or disc). I'd just like someone to pick one standard and be done with it. It gives me a headache.

[wallymann]

Originally Posted by livingminimal

cool thanks

btw that's Wout's bike post-bike change. What was he on before that?

ja! the whole team was on rim brakes.

[dddd]

What I thought!

[EDS]

Specialized could not have asked for a better start to the season.

[fa63]

And the only one with rim brakes had an epic bonk. Coincidence? I think not...

You heard it here first folks, rim brakes will make you bonk.

:-D

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by fignon's barber

I don't care which format wins (rim or disc). I'd just like someone to pick one standard and be done with it. It gives me a headache.

It'll eventually be discs..the manufacturer's want to see that(sell that) so the 'sponsored' bikes will be that, whether the rider's 'want' it or not.

But standards? The issue isn't rotor size or axle standards, that's pretty much set(120/120, 12/100TA, 12/142), it's the variables with frames/forks/caliper mounting and a neutral wheel..coupled with 'speed' to swap a wheel..bike changes are becoming more common but with only 2 team cars per team and narrow routes(P-R)..gonna make for some 'interesting' races and results. And probably some really cool bike tosses.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...0CA0&FORM=VIRE

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by fa63

And the only one with rim brakes had an epic bonk. Coincidence? I think not...

You heard it here first folks, rim brakes will make you bonk.

:-D

I heard rim brakes causes______, never mind.

[jb_11]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

It'll eventually be discs..the manufacturer's want to see that(sell that) so the 'sponsored' bikes will be that, whether the rider's 'want' it or not.

But standards? The issue isn't rotor size or axle standards, that's pretty much set(120/120, 12/100TA, 12/142), it's the variables with frames/forks/caliper mounting and a neutral wheel..coupled with 'speed' to swap a wheel..bike changes are becoming more common but with only 2 team cars per team and narrow routes(P-R)..gonna make for some 'interesting' races and results. And probably some really cool bike tosses.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...0CA0&FORM=VIRE

120/120? I didn't think anyone was running smaller then 140.

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by jb_11

120/120? I didn't think anyone was running smaller then 140.

Yeah 160 F / 140 R is pretty much the standard now. 140/140 only if the course is very flat and/or the rider is very light.

But as oldpotatoe said the standards just aren't quite there yet for discs to be the go-to on road racing. They'll need to standardize the TA system (thread, pitch, style, installation method) as well as the hub/rotor/caliper interface - some sort of extracting/leveling/centering piston tech could work for the latter, and the former is really up to frame/fork manufacturers. Either that or they can make the standard distance between pads larger to account for the rotor tolerances and riders have to get used to a travel increase on the brakes before engagement.

[chiasticon]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

But standards? The issue isn't rotor size or axle standards, that's pretty much set(120/120, 12/100TA, 12/142), it's the variables with frames/forks/caliper mounting and a neutral wheel..coupled with 'speed' to swap a wheel..

this one cracked me up. Quickstep mechanics taped a hex key to each seatpost so the riders could do wheel swaps without a mechanic there.

http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/201...c_0062_670.jpg

[yinzerniner]

Originally Posted by chiasticon

this one cracked me up. Quickstep mechanics taped a hex key to each seatpost so the riders could do wheel swaps without a mechanic there.

http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/201...c_0062_670.jpg

Not sure how "aero" this is, but the hidden extraction bar inside the TA is the best integrated system I've seen so far.
schwinn-paramount-0025-1555036049.jpg

On another not, the bike that employs this is a carbon Force ETAP AXS model for $3300 with name-brand Vision Trimax wheels. It's almost like getting a frameset for free. Only caveat - it's a Schwinn.
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...amount-review/
schwinn-paramount-0005-tested-1555177043.jpg

[dddd]

Using a generic-grade frame, a mail-order bike supplier can as you say throw in the frame "for free" after the prices of the bike's components are added up.

Wasn't it Bikesdirect that was selling the ETap Red gruppo on buyer's choice of titanium or carbon framed bikes a couple of years ago for about three grand?
Remember this is the more mass-produced Force gruppo here, which I suppose competes with Ultegra Di2.

That Paramount's Vision wheelset is I believe a quite dated one, still available for about $300 or so to a hard-core online shopper but discontinued on most of the sites that carried them. By keeping the dated production line churning out a last batch for Schwinn, the wholesale cost would likely be really low.

I'm not meaning to bash today's Schwinn, as even in the big box stores the brand definitely maintains standards higher than most others.
And for the buyer looking for techie features above all it might seem to be a bargain.
Also noticing that the frame appears to be Etap-specific with no cable ports in sight.