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Old 06-29-2019, 11:38 AM
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My Dad's All Road 650b

I don't know where to start with this post! I'm so happy/proud with myself and my Dad! So here we go, last year my Dad rode my Cyclocross bike and LOVED the 700x40 WTB Nano tires combined with the comfort of a steel frame/fork. He looked into a Salsa something-or-other, which would have been just fine but when I suggested I build him a frame, he was psyched! My Dad lives in Albany, NY and we are currently in Minneapolis so my Mom measured him up and I designed a comfortable frame around 650x47 WTB Byway's.

This is my first fillet brazed frame so I really had to lean on a lot of friends before and during this build. Shawn Pederson of the Seattle area helped me pick out a torch and offered loads of advise and critique, Joel Greenblatt of Clockwork Cycles offered some personal fillet brazing lessions and reamed/faced the head tube, Joe Rogenbuck of Cobra Frames was super helpful in fixturing.



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Old 06-29-2019, 11:42 AM
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He finally got to see it on Father's Day!
And just got to ride it yesterday! (6-28-19) He absolutely LOVED the difference from his 1990-something Trek with 25 wide tires and an aluminum fork!

Yesterday was truly a bucket list moment for me!

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Old 06-29-2019, 11:53 AM
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Allan, this is amazing on so many levels. Chapeau!

First, the father-son story is amazing! How many sons have built frames for their dads? Not many, I suspect! His joy is visible in that picture.

Second, your skills are amazing! The fillet brazing looks amazing. You networked with some amazing people in framebuilding. And the design looks great.

Did you draw this up in RattleCAD?

My garage is overfull at the moment but I'd love to work with you again. Actually...if you're free, I'd love to send you the Raleigh again for more mods!

Three cheers for your Father's Day gravel bike!

Whats next for Varco Cycles?

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Old 06-29-2019, 12:04 PM
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This post gives me the feels! Nice job. The frame looks very cool. As someone who is aspiring to get into frame building, could you explain a bit about the internal cable routing in the downtube? How is this done? Through cable stops, or just drilled holes? Where would one get the necessary items?
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Old 06-29-2019, 12:48 PM
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Great story and awesome work! The new frame looks great.
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Old 06-29-2019, 01:12 PM
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Everything about this is perfect!
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Old 06-29-2019, 01:51 PM
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Love this story. So much coolness.

How did you decide on tubing?
Why did you decide fillet?
Is he gonna paint it?

Love the cool head badge. That much be so awesome for him to ride about on.
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Old 06-29-2019, 03:33 PM
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This is great! Nice frame even better story.

Would love to build me dad a frame. Good on you both!
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:25 PM
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Great job, this will make any dad proud. Nicely done on your first fillet attempts as well, no easy task that.
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:42 PM
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Allan, this is amazing on so many levels. Chapeau!

First, the father-son story is amazing! How many sons have built frames for their dads? Not many, I suspect! His joy is visible in that picture.

Second, your skills are amazing! The fillet brazing looks amazing. You networked with some amazing people in framebuilding. And the design looks great.

Did you draw this up in RattleCAD?

My garage is overfull at the moment but I'd love to work with you again. Actually...if you're free, I'd love to send you the Raleigh again for more mods!

Three cheers for your Father's Day gravel bike!

Whats next for Varco Cycles?

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Thank you Dan!

It is so fulfilling to be able to build him a bike! Honestly, the most satisfying build I'll probably ever do!

I did use RattleCAD. I'll snap a shot of the designs if you're interested.

I'm down for mods!

I have actually kinda called off building frames for other people for a bit until I can master the art of the fillet. I also plan to build more fixturing. I just completed a SS bridge mitering fixture that I can't wait to use again! But a CS and SS mitering fixture is currently in the design stages.

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Old 06-29-2019, 05:49 PM
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This post gives me the feels! Nice job. The frame looks very cool. As someone who is aspiring to get into frame building, could you explain a bit about the internal cable routing in the downtube? How is this done? Through cable stops, or just drilled holes? Where would one get the necessary items?
I highly recommend you take a stab at building a frame if you're thinking about it. Using lugs, Nova tubes and MAPP gas it's VERY affordable and achievable. Little fixturing is needed to make something really nice and to whatever dimensions you would like. (within the limits of the lugs)

I really wanted to post more about the internal cables but for some reason my phone no longer has those pics. I'll have to dig through my Flickr. But I used stainless tubes with a .25" ID. The tubes go all the way through the DT. I bent them with a $9 automotive brake line bender from Harbor Freight. People do however split the cable housing inside the frame though. I just prefer to run housing all the way through. Must be a BMX thing. Haha!

Edit: Here is the link to my IG, which shows the cable routing.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn5B3kMl...d=yppkd079rwqt

But if you decide to try a frame build, let me know, I'd love to offer pointers wherever you need.

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Old 06-29-2019, 05:50 PM
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Great story and awesome work! The new frame looks great.
Thank you Andy!

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Everything about this is perfect!
Aww, thanks! That honestly means so much to hear that!

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Old 06-29-2019, 05:58 PM
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Love this story. So much coolness.



How did you decide on tubing?

Why did you decide fillet?

Is he gonna paint it?



Love the cool head badge. That much be so awesome for him to ride about on.
I decided on Zona for the main triangle because my Dad is big! 6'5" and 230lbs! So I wanted the durability of Zona. I also went with Spirit for the rear triangle in order to attempt to achieve better ride quality.

I have wanted to learn how to fillet braze ever since I started building framed. I toyed with fillet brazing last summer and felt I was ready to tackle a full filleted frame build. Plus I was ready to lose the limitations of lugs. Sloping top tubes make me happy. Haha!

I am going to have the frame powder coated. There is a little bit of a story behind the color choice. It revolves around a 1987 Chevy Astro that he had when I was a kid. He took my friends and I to a lot of BMX races in that van over it's 14 year life! The van was white with a dark blue stripe on the bottom. We were originally going to do a similar scheme but he later decided to go with solid metallic navy blue in the end. I am going to hit up Eric Norine (sp?) for that task.

There is a much shorter story behind the head tube badge as well. When I rode BMX I used a lot of parts from S&M. Their logo is the shape of a shield. So, there's that story. LoL!

I don't know who was happier in the end with this build, him or I!

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Old 06-29-2019, 06:05 PM
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Great job, this will make any dad proud. Nicely done on your first fillet attempts as well, no easy task that.
Thanks Aaron!
I still have SO far to go on my fillets. Basically, I want them too look good right off the torch. I really want to build frames with fillets that are not filed and smoothed. I want to be able to show my work in its real form.

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