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09-25-2013, 02:58 PM
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never owned a Moots, but i have drooled over them at shows. Then again, i've always felt that the welds are too much of a feature of the frames. They're exquisite, but just have a little too much 'presence', whereas Serotta welds don't register.
one fellow i know described Moots bikes as "precision plumbing". sorry. Last edited by jpw; 09-25-2013 at 03:04 PM. 
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09-25-2013, 03:44 PM
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My LBS pushes out lots of Moots for a small city. I dropped by yesterday and they had just built one for a customer that hasn't left the shop yet.
Super Record, hard ano H+Son archetypes/King R45, Thomson stem/bar. It was dazzling. I considered them for my CX bike but chose a cheaper option - it wasn't for reasons of performance or quality, as I have never heard anything negative about their bikes.
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09-25-2013, 04:06 PM
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Impressions of Moots Vamoots?
As a current Moots owner, I'm more blasé about he bike. It's a fine bike and rides well, but I find it on par with my 2013 Madone 6 and prefer my Parlee to both. It rides as well as the many ti bikes that I have owned (Cambridge built Merlin, Lynskey built Litespeed, Seven Axiom, Seroota). I actually like my ti Kish more, even though it is an all-rounder, but it was custom made for me. I would recommend looking at Kish - custom for the same $$ as a stock Moots.
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09-25-2013, 04:42 PM
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Yes, this is actually the only criticism I could make of Moots. I chose Desalvo because I got custom geometry for a fair bit less than a Moots, so since i am cost conscious, it was an easy-ish choice. Every time I see a Moots on the road, my heart flutters a bit though; they are always very refined.
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09-25-2013, 04:47 PM
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A couple of people have already mentioned the possibility of a custom Ti frame for even less money than a stock Moots. DeSalvo is another custom Ti that offers custom for less than a stock Moots. I hope this isn't viewed as thread-jacking, but is there an offsetting advantage to a Moots over the custom alternatives that cost less?
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09-25-2013, 04:52 PM
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09-25-2013, 05:02 PM
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There are certainly many good custom ti builders out there. DeSalvo is someone I've thought about. He looks top-notch.
But Moots seems to offer a few pluses on their side: maybe I can find a good used VaMoots. If I go new, Moots feels like a known quantity/quality. Some of my custom experiences have been, frankly, disappointing. And I'd imagine the lead time for getting a new VaMoots is much shorter than customer. And oh yes, resale, though that's not something I'd like to contemplate before even getting one.  PS The spare industrial look of Moots sorta floats my boat for ti.
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09-25-2013, 05:05 PM
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I'd guess the average resale value of a custom Ti bike is <40% of MSRP. The resale of stock Vamootses seems to be 60% of MSRP. That's a fair bit of scratch. (And, since I buy mostly used, why I've never had a chance to own one.)
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09-25-2013, 05:06 PM
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Moots has a dealer set up, so you can actually ride one before you buy..at a dealer. Margin setup completely different with a 'double' margin going to small, direct frame builders. For comparison, IF, Seven, previously serotta, are comparible. Kish, Firefly, Kent..the same 'model'.
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