OT: It's time to pay college athletes.

[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

To Mr Joosttx's point, Turner/CBS Sports are paying the NCAA nearly $20 billion dollars over the next decade and a half to broadcast March Madness.

And not a dollar of that goes to the people actually playing the games.

Amateurism has been the fig leaf the NCAA -- operating as a cartel -- has used to tamp down labor's fair share of the product they put out there.

Pay the kids.

Exactly. The money generated does not go to the schools or the athletes. Athletic programs as an aggregate suck funds from academics and that cost is covered by higher than necessary tuitions. These are simple and verifiable facts, not opinions.

[batman1425]

Originally Posted by joosttx

Speaking from experience anything a grad student does in his/her research is owned but the school. You have to be very careful when you get a big idea.

University IP statements apply to grad students, postdocs, and faculty. Anything generated with federal funding or using university property falls under the IP of the university. That said - you can still file, and will get a (admittedly small) cut of the overall royalty. Some institutions will also allow you to take all of the royalty if you provide them with first refusal to the IP.

This is why many senior investigators have LLC's that separately from but in tandem with their university sponsored labs. Space and resources needs to be physically separate for IP reasons.

It depends on your contribution to the project and the lab dynamics if you would get listed. I'm on patents from my training phases.

[sitzmark]

Originally Posted by FlashUNC

To Mr Joosttx's point, Turner/CBS Sports are paying the NCAA nearly $20 billion dollars over the next decade and a half to broadcast March Madness.

And not a dollar of that goes to the people actually playing the games.

Amateurism has been the fig leaf the NCAA -- operating as a cartel -- has used to tamp down labor's fair share of the product they put out there.

Pay the kids.

My vote would then be to disassociate those athletic programs from the school and end player scholarships. Athletes would then be employees of the NCAA/team as pro athletes are for their respective governing bodies, and the NCAA would be a separate pro/semi-pro league. Athletes could choose to pursue higher education on their own $$ if they desire. OR ...

The NCAA could perform to its charter and prohibit athletic programs from charging admission or broadcast of games. A majority of the money problem solved. Major program college athletics would become almost unrecognizable to what exists today in almost every way.

[FlashUNC]

Originally Posted by sitzmark

My vote would then be to disassociate those athletic programs from the school and end player scholarships. Athletes would then be employees of the NCAA/team as pro athletes are for their respective governing bodies, and the NCAA would be a separate pro/semi-pro league. Athletes could choose to pursue higher education on their own $$ if they desire. OR ...

The NCAA could perform to its charter and prohibit athletic programs from charging admission or broadcast of games. A majority of the money problem solved. Major program college athletics would become almost unrecognizable to what exists today in almost every way.

The NCAA has been a joke since it's founding.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...sports/308643/

A fairy-tale version of the founding of the NCAA holds that President Theodore Roosevelt, upset by a photograph of a bloodied Swarthmore College player, vowed to civilize or destroy football. The real story is that Roosevelt maneuvered shrewdly to preserve the sport—and give a boost to his beloved Harvard. After McClure’s magazine published a story on corrupt teams with phantom students, a muckraker exposed Walter Camp’s $100,000 slush fund at Yale. In response to mounting outrage, Roosevelt summoned leaders from Harvard, Princeton, and Yale to the White House, where Camp parried mounting criticism and conceded nothing irresponsible in the college football rules he’d established. At Roosevelt’s behest, the three schools issued a public statement that college sports must reform to survive, and representatives from 68 colleges founded a new organization that would soon be called the National Collegiate Athletic Association. A Haverford College official was confirmed as secretary but then promptly resigned in favor of Bill Reid, the new Harvard coach, who instituted new rules that benefited Harvard’s playing style at the expense of Yale’s. At a stroke, Roosevelt saved football and dethroned Yale.


For nearly 50 years, the NCAA, with no real authority and no staff to speak of, enshrined amateur ideals that it was helpless to enforce. (Not until 1939 did it gain the power even to mandate helmets.) In 1929, the Carnegie Foundation made headlines with a report, “American College Athletics,” which concluded that the scramble for players had “reached the proportions of nationwide commerce.” Of the 112 schools surveyed, 81 flouted NCAA recommendations with inducements to students ranging from open payrolls and disguised booster funds to no-show jobs at movie studios. Fans ignored the uproar, and two-thirds of the colleges mentioned told The New York Times that they planned no changes. In 1939, freshman players at the University of Pittsburgh went on strike because they were getting paid less than their upperclassman teammates.

[Spaghetti Legs]

2016 WaPo article outlining the dramatic pay increase of Power 5 conference commissioners. Annual salaries range 2.0 to 3.4 million

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...79a_story.html

2016 top NCAA exec salaries - President 2.4 mill.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-presid...213658604.html

I considered including coaches salaries but that’s easy enough to goggle and one can make a better argument that the salary is earned (probably more so than top CEO salaries). I’m very interested to see any data on median 10 year post grad salary (or leaving college, since not all graduate)of NCAAM football and basketball players. Since only a tiny percentage of players get big time pro contracts, I think this might shed some light on the true benefit of the time in college. When these academic scandals surface it becomes more clear that some of these programs aren’t that interested in preparing these kids for life.

The proposal for the UC system IMO will directly affect very few athletes but I think it’s a step in the right direction and I’m very interested to see how this pans out; there will be some serious head butting with the NCAA. I’d like to see athletes get some form of compensation. If you’ve seen responses to the NCAA “day in the life” video from last spring, you’ll see a greater time commitment by a scholarship athlete than you would with a student on academic scholarship. The academic scholarship student can do work-study and check people in at the gym for spending money whereas the athlete a) isn’t allowed b) doesn’t have time. Giving the kids compensation might also reduce the shady athletic boosters under the table cash which often lands the kids in hot water, kicked out of school, and gets coaches fired.

[djg]

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/spor...plays-it-quit/

"As the bizarre American habit of college football turns 150 years old this autumn, the University of Chicago’s decision to quit big-time football remains one of the game’s boldest, most outlying turns. It remains that singular case in which a school with six undisputed major-conference titles, one legend (Amos Alonzo Stagg, its coach for the first 41 seasons, 1892-1932) and the first Heisman Trophy winner, up and got out."

[XXtwindad]

Recent (potentially career altering) injury to one of the best college QBs in the nation underscores why college athletes should be compensated. Newsom signed the CA bill recently.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...cid=spartandhp

[jamesdak]

Originally Posted by Rada

Can't speak for anyone else, but not what I meant. We spend a trillion dollars a year on national security yet keep cutting spending on education. Yet what everyone seems to focus on is pay for student athletes who make up a fraction of the student population. I'd rather see a lot more underprivileged children given the chance at a good education. But nope, lets worry about athletes.

Right! I don't get all this emphasis on athletes at all levels. They reach "god" status while really contributing nothing to society but entertainment. Pay the teachers, they are the ones in a position to turn our education system around.

[unterhausen]

Most college football teams are a net drain on their schools. In that sense, they are taking away from teaching salaries. I still think that college athletes should be paid

[peanutgallery]

I, too, live in your market (though you are closer to the spigot) and I cannot help but get the feeling that the current PSU coach is angling for his next job on the backs of current players. When things are good, hype central...when things are bad, blame the players and not the play caller. Point of reference - the play caller is a total one-man hype machine. Curious thing to watch transpire. Bunch of the players are just one bad play away from a career altering injury

Feel bad for the players, coach could pay each one (pretty well) out of his own pocket and still be a millionaire - annually, and he's more than likely way more concerned with the earnest $ thats been put down on his next house. Bring back Knute Rockne, if that concept ever existed

Just pay the players. This is just football, which is somewhat subdued when college basketball is concerned. Eventually, there will be a reckoning

Originally Posted by unterhausen

Most college football teams are a net drain on their schools. In that sense, they are taking away from teaching salaries. I still think that college athletes should be paid

[fiamme red]

It appears that Greg Schiano's demands are going to be met by Rutgers' Board of Governors, and he's going to return as head coach of the football team. (Rutgers is a publicly funded college.) He's going to get $4 million per year, unlimited use of a private jet for recruiting and program travel, and guarantee of a new football-only facility.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2...-marriage.html

An eight-year deal worth $32 million was agreed to Friday, according to two people familiar with the negotiations, and the jet travel would be financed privately. But the last hurdle remained: Schiano’s demand to get out of his contract if Rutgers didn’t meet his demands for a new Field House and football-only facility by July 2023. Those facilities could cost an estimated $150 million, and Rutgers, already squeezed by recently built sports facilities, had winced originally.

Half, both sides agreed, would have to be funded privately for Rutgers to proceed with any building plans.

[peanutgallery]

Worst of both worlds, way too much to pay Schiano - not nearly enough to be competitive in the Big 10

Be a while before they some conference tv revenue to boot

Originally Posted by fiamme red

It appears that Greg Schiano's demands are going to be met by Rutgers' Board of Governors, and he's going to return as head coach of the football team. (Rutgers is a publicly funded college.) He's going to get $4 million per year, unlimited use of a private jet for recruiting and program travel, and guarantee of a new football-only facility.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2...-marriage.html

[XXtwindad]

Originally Posted by fiamme red

It appears that Greg Schiano's demands are going to be met by Rutgers' Board of Governors, and he's going to return as head coach of the football team. (Rutgers is a publicly funded college.) He's going to get $4 million per year, unlimited use of a private jet for recruiting and program travel, and guarantee of a new football-only facility.

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2...-marriage.html

Rutgers has a football team?

[XXtwindad]

A lot has happened in the past year, obviously. Many changes may be imminent in higher education. I think this may be one of them. And it’s the right move.

From a recent article by the legendary, late Georgetown coach John Thompson Jr shortly before he died:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ayers.amp.html

“Everybody within college basketball knows which schools are buying players — illegally offering cash or other gifts to players or their families to persuade them to attend and play at their schools. The whole system is filthy with it, well beyond the few schools publicly named by the N.C.A.A. Since the N.C.A.A. won’t hold everyone accountable, paying players might as well be legal. Schools that don’t pay for players have an extremely hard time competing for championships, and coaches who don’t cheat can barely hold on to their jobs, because their losses against the cheaters are counted against them.

The N.C.A.A. is also teaching young athletes that the way to succeed in life is to break rules, not follow them. We are abdicating our responsibility to act on the rules we make and corrupting the educational mission that universities are supposed to have. It seems that the N.C.A.A. is making players into thieves. It feels like entrapment.“

[72gmc]

The NCAA shouldn't be relied upon to teach values to college athletes, beyond the value of money. It makes money off of college athletes and controls their ability to make a future for themselves. And it's free to play favorites.