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Old 03-08-2016, 04:43 PM
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youre not going to convince me that an espresso machine should be in the home
...and you couldn't convince me otherwise...especially for folks who love coffee. I slung for a while over 30 yrs ago. In the time since I've paid for truly great shots and truly abysmal ones. I really appreciate a barista who's paying attention, but sadly even in coffee meccas like portland and the bay area, the skill varies widely.
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Old 03-08-2016, 07:04 PM
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Two reasons not to get a Linea Mini.

1. You have the disposable income to get a Slayer.
2. You do not have the disposable income to get the Linea mini.

It's a great machine, as are most LM machines. Will last forever. Will be predictable and stable. Can be easily repaired. (here is my plug for buying the machine from Chris Coffee - Their service is excellent. Always willing to help you pinpoint a problem and offer repair advice and easy access to the parts). I had GS3 for 5 years and it was amazing as was Chris' service. I sold because a guy at work kept bugging me to upgrade so he could buy mine. One day, he asked me for the hundredth time and I was feeling a bit cheeky, so I agreed. Went home that afternoon and called Slayer.

If you can swing it financially ( and still afford a nice grinder) , I'm sure you will be happy with the machine. BTW, in my previous post I did the math on home espresso vs cafe. It is definitely a money saver for me once you make the jump that you desire excellent espresso on a daily basis.

Happy to make grinder recs. Off the bat, I love my Compak K10. Compak grinders are every bit as good as Mazzer and usually come in a bit cheaper than the equivalent Mazzer.

The HG one would be amazing. Unfortunately, they are no longer taking orders. Maybe SoCalSteve has one he would like to sell? Steve, if you're listening, I'm first in line.

Feel free to PM if you have specific questions wrt to machines and grinders. I'm happy to offer my opinion on machines and I have had a fair amount of experience with several machines and grinders over the last 20 years. Although, I am by no means a professional.

Jon
I do not own an HG One, even though I'd love to have one. The electric version looks even cooler!

Ive owned this machine for going on 5 years now and have it dialed in 100%. Just replaced the belt and have a replacement burr set. I'm sure this grinder will easily go another 5 years. I pull some amazing tasty shots ( especially with Klatch beans ).
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Old 03-08-2016, 07:08 PM
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Oh, this is the espresso machine that I use to pull these shots.
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Old 03-08-2016, 08:22 PM
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Thanks everyone. For reference, I got an ECM Giotto 15 years ago. A very good, solid HX machine. I am a long-time coffee fanatic. I have a Mazzer grinder. The espresso machine finally stopped working six months ago. The places that do refurb don't usually touch 15 year old machines. Oh, and I roast my own--I have a Hottop.

I just got a new job, and have been treating myself to some nice stuff (deposits on custom frames ...) and knew I wanted a new espresso machine. I guess I could get a slayer, but at some point it seems gratuitous.

Wanted dual boiler with PID. Some cheaper machines have electronics for the PID but that strikes me as something else to break. The Linea Mini can go reservoir or plumbed. We are thinking of a reno on the house in a year, so that would be the time to convert to plumbed.

Called Chris' today but couldn't quite pull the trigger. Not sure why. The wife says to do it.

Guess I will tomorrow.

--edit-- just looked up the slayer again and the dimensions don't work for the current kitchen. Counter space was the only constraint the wife put on me.
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Old 03-08-2016, 08:41 PM
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Thanks everyone. For reference, I got an ECM Giotto 15 years ago. A very good, solid HX machine. I am a long-time coffee fanatic. I have a Mazzer grinder. The espresso machine finally stopped working six months ago. The places that do refurb don't usually touch 15 year old machines. Oh, and I roast my own--I have a Hottop.

I just got a new job, and have been treating myself to some nice stuff (deposits on custom frames ...) and knew I wanted a new espresso machine. I guess I could get a slayer, but at some point it seems gratuitous.

Wanted dual boiler with PID. Some cheaper machines have electronics for the PID but that strikes me as something else to break. The Linea Mini can go reservoir or plumbed. We are thinking of a reno on the house in a year, so that would be the time to convert to plumbed.

Called Chris' today but couldn't quite pull the trigger. Not sure why. The wife says to do it.

Guess I will tomorrow.

--edit-- just looked up the slayer again and the dimensions don't work for the current kitchen. Counter space was the only constraint the wife put on me.
In looking at the specs of the Slayer, it's plumbed only.
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Old 03-08-2016, 08:55 PM
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In looking at the specs of the Slayer, it's plumbed only.

Just saved me $4500
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Old 03-08-2016, 10:29 PM
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GS3 is one heck of a machine, bought my used and have been very happy with it. If you don't mind tinkering, it's pretty easy to work on if needed. Had a Rocket, which now resides at my girlfriends place.

I roast my own coffee and no shop out there can compete. Having total control over the process feeds my desire for custom items.

Just need to upgrade my grinder, with as little retention as possible.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:08 PM
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Just saved me $4500
Slayer has plans to do a reservoir version. Besides, plumbing in is so easy!

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Old 03-08-2016, 11:10 PM
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Crankles,

I didn't mean to imply that a shop is going to use the internet to solve it's problems. However, there are many homes in the world that have pro machines in the kitchen. Those homes can use the internet and a little skill with a wrench to get a machine back in service in a day or so without the expense or hassle of having a pro service it.

Just like I can do most things on my bike to keep it on the road rather than dropping off at the bike shop for an unknown period of time.

That's all I'm saying.

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Old 03-09-2016, 04:51 AM
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Slayer has plans to do a reservoir version. Besides, plumbing in is so easy!



Jon

I should basically just give you the password to my paypal account so you can just buy me stuff with my own money ....

Saved by the wife's counter space argument.

Sure is a sweet looking machine though.
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:03 AM
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Seems like if you could afford a $9,000 espresso machine you could afford to make a little more counter space...
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Old 03-09-2016, 05:08 AM
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youre not going to convince me that an espresso machine should be in the home
I'm not gonna convince you an espresso machine needs to be in YOUR home and it doesn't matter whether you believe one needs to be in MY home, so all is good.

Seth, I knew you didn't need the whole espresso machine vs nepresso vs no machine at home debate - you were a guiding voice for me when I first got into this stuff more than 10 years ago now. So I knew you had an ECM and were plenty into it. I can't speak to WHICH double boiler machine to get - I think once you've got that level of temperature control they're all gonna pull equally good shots, so it's down to fit and finish and features once you get beyond an Expobar Brewtus. Once you're at this level of machine the grinder is more critical anyway and you've got a great one already...

But I absolutely endorse the move to a double boiler. You can do just as well with an HX machine, but it's just easier to get and stay dialed with a double since the brew temp never has to move and there's no flushing or timing to worry about. Opinions vary, but that's mine FWIW. I have a Brewtus IV, plumbed in with a rotary pump. We re-did our kitchen a couple years ago and had a space carved out for espresso (shorter cabinet on that end of that counter so plenty of headroom for the machine and grinder) and I love the setup. I take up more counter space for espresso in the AM and then slide the grinder, tamp area, and knock-box back up against the machine to free up space for cooking later in the day. There are features I like in some more expensive machines, but when it came time to buy, I couldn't rationalize spending an additional $500-3000 for stuff that wasn't gonna add up to better shots. But if I'd just come into a bit of a windfall as it sounds like your new job will provide (congratulations BTW!), I'm sure I would have.

So whatever you end up getting, enjoy!

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Old 03-09-2016, 06:17 AM
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I generally drink regular coffee on weekday mornings, but with this thread in mind i got up a few minutes early and pulled a double this morning. good way to start the day!
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Old 03-09-2016, 07:47 AM
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Seems like if you could afford a $9,000 espresso machine you could afford to make a little more counter space...
Yeah, I mean c'mon, I think a $50k kitchen remodel is in order to make that Slayer fit.
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