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Was super excited until I read there's no 165mm crank option.
SERIOUSLY? Going shorter is literally THE thing everyone's doing now, from Pro's to weekend warriors, and has been for ~18 months now. |
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Oh and another thing, those new Zonda's look sweet.
The C17's have a cult (see what I did there?) following for good reason. They're superb. These new ones have a claimed weight identical to that of the outgoing C17 and for that you get 6mm wider internal, 5.5mm wider external at the same depth. Outstanding. |
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I've read that they are made in Romania.
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"And if you care about that sort of thing, it’s worth noting that Campagnolo is still manufacturing exclusively in Europe. Ekar cassettes, chains, bottom brackets, and chainrings are all made at Campagnolo HQ in Vicenza, Italy, and the individual bits for the shifters and rear derailleur are made there, too. Production of other bits and component assembly happens elsewhere in the EU (Campagnolo owns two factories in Romania)."
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That is odd, especially considering that the original Ekar crank is offered in 165.
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The shifters look like a slight redesign, but not cheaper/heavier than the original Ekar.
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Today's the 20th..I'm betting a lower priced EKAR....
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And sram stuff is made in Chicago....Nope to both, EKAR Nothing made in Taiwan...
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'3 years behind'..show me a Shimano wheel set that is sram XDR compatible.. And Rolex doesn't make an electronic watch either. I guess they are 'behind' also. Seiko does, Grand Seiko models, quartz in spite of the quartz watch debacle.
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Part of the problem here, is that often final customers don't actually understand why certain design decisions are taken in the 1st place ... For info, no, the extension of range plus the other longer-term objectives which are possibly not evident in the current offering (bearing in mind all groupset makers are looking ahead to where they are taking a product or product range) could not have been acheived with the existing non-GT derailleur. The costs to go through a re-design process, a re-tool process, then to actually launch a profuct into the market with all of the other commercial and non-technical considerations that go into that are huge. It's not something that gets undertaken just for the sake of it. |
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I agree. I use 165 on both mtb and road/gravel bikes. And I don’t do it because everyone else is but because it is more comfortable and fits me better. 80cm top of saddle to center of bb is my saddle height, fwiw.
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Campagnolo make it easy to be slammed...
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And how is that working out for them in pioneering the way in simply adding an extra cog every few years... Their $100M revenue looks pretty paltry compared to Shimano($4B) and Sram($700M). People don't care about the first to do something, as that selling point fades away the second others do it, or when it doesn't seem warranted or isn't needed(insert Ekar here). Similarly, why would Shimano, an industry behemoth with 4x the revenue of Sram, offer an XDR compatible wheel...? Notice Sram does indeed make HG freehub cassettes! In a way, acknowledging that Shimano(with the HG) sort of is the "standard". It would seem wise for Campagnolo to do the same, especially at this "lower price point" where an additional $100 for a freehub body furthers the gap to other options. I don't think Campagnolo is a horrible product, or doesn't have a place in the market. I just think they need to better identify what that place is, and own it, or re-think their path towards it. There are very few "younger" riders, who absent some fond memory of a distant shiny aluminum groupset from decades ago, seek out Campagnolo. Perhaps they don't want/need this share of the market, but this newest release tells me that they are indeed seeking to gain some new ridership, and it is my opinion that they have once again missed the mark... |
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This is an interesting comparison. The utilitarian function of a watch is keep time, preferably with as little maintenance as possible. In this regard, Rolex is far behind electronic watches. When electronic watches started become available, Rolex realized they could not compete on cost and utility with Asian made electronic watches. So instead they shifted their focus to up-scale luxury mechanical watches made in Europe. From the outside looking in, this looks similar to Campagnolo - they also appear to be largely shifting their focus to up-scale luxury (mechanical) drivetrains made in Europe. While there will always be a niche for brands like Rolex in the watch market, I'm not sure this niche is as sustainable in the bike market.
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