OT: sportwagen

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by martl

..i sometimes wonder if humankind isn't shooting itself in the foot that way, in a long term/evolution type of meaning. Making stupid people survive while removing any accountability for own actions may not be the wisest strategy

Or we could feel better that cars are more efficient and continually getting safer - death rates have dropped by more than half or as much as 2/3 depending on which metric you're looking at (per capita or per miles driven).

[palincss]

Originally Posted by martl

Are you comparing the Outback to the 5 series touring and the A6 Avant?

Volume behind back seats/with back row folded
5 Series 570l / 1700l
A6 Avant 565l/ 1680l
Outback: 560l/1820l

Some comparison, considering the only 5 series wagon that will be on sale in the US next year is the M5 Touring, and the Audi is the RS6 Avant, not exactly apples to bananas.

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by palincss

Some comparison, considering the only 5 series wagon that will be on sale in the US next year is the M5 Touring, and the Audi is the RS6 Avant, not exactly apples to bananas.

Audi is still offering the A4 & A6 avants (allroad) in 2025.

[AngryScientist]

I just dont understand how people are bearing new car prices. $47k is the average? oye!

Americans paid a whopping $47,612 on average for a new car in October, according to data from Edmunds. That’s a jump of almost $10,000 from October 2019, ahead of the pandemic. That means new car prices have risen much faster than most goods and services.

[ChainNoise]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

I just dont understand how people are bearing new car prices. $47k is the average? oye!

I couldn't agree with this more. New truck prices make me want to throw up. Used truck prices make me want to throw up. Even OBS Chevys in somewhat decent shape are going for 8 - 10k. I've want to get rid of my GSW for something a bit more appropriate for my needs but I just can't stomach paying the price for it.

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

I just dont understand how people are bearing new car prices. $47k is the average? oye!

Its rough out there with inflation AND higher interest rates - and for states that property tax cars, there's no relief there either as the values keep going up.

Occasionally I'll poke around at new cars and I'm seeing some discounts coming back, like $5-7k off of a new Colorado/Canyon. Of course thats still nearly a $50k truck out the door - which would be $37k in 2015 money. The world has changed.

[AngryScientist]

Originally Posted by ChainNoise

I couldn't agree with this more. New truck prices make me want to throw up. Used truck prices make me want to throw up. Even ONS Chevys in somewhat decent shape are going for 8 - 10k. I've want to get rid of my GSW for something a bit more appropriate for my needs but I just can't stomach paying the price for it.

I look around my own neighborhood and I just dont understand it.

I'm not judging anyone, I'm genuinely dumbfounded. New folks just moved in around the corner and I was chitchatting with them when walking my dog the other night. Just bought the house (that I know sold for around $850k...because Zillo), husband drives a brand new 2500 Silverado, Wifey drives a brand new X5. Both are employed as elementary school teachers in NJ.

Someone, please tell me the secret of how that works....

(sorry for the thread drift...)

[red7]

Generational wealth

[mattsbeers]

Massive debt