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Old 10-02-2024, 01:17 PM
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Incredible time to be alive if you're a fan of kooky ass handlebars. So many options.
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Old 10-02-2024, 01:47 PM
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"Integrated" has been used in many contexts, but "fully integrated" is only used in reference to cable routing.
I think the expression you are looking for is "fully internal". The word "integrated" is typically to mean that two or more functions are combined (as when derailleur and brake controls are combined into a single lever unit, or when a stem and handlebar are combined into a single "integrated cockpit" unit). With fully internal routing, the cables and hoses are not any more integrated, as the exact same cables and hoses are used with external routing. "Fully internal" routing just routes them inside instead of outside.
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Old 10-02-2024, 01:57 PM
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I find it semi-ironic they trained us all to crave more cogs on the cassette for tighter spacing, but then they convinced us all we needed massive range on the cassette so now a lot of us have no tighter spacing than we had back in the 9-speed era, but meanwhile now we have higher costs for the consumables and have to change out everything more frequently.
I don't think "they" convinced us to have tighter spaced, smaller range cassettes - I think the consumers convinced themselves of that. Or more precisely, consumers saw that this is what pro racers were using (and had been using for decades), and at some point consumers convinced themselves that they should be using the same equipment that the pro racers were using.

Ironically, those narrow range cassettes with tight spacing were probably not best for the pros either, but for many years no self-respecting pro would be caught using "touring" gears on their bikes. It was only when some of the big races started introducing stages with very steep climbs that the pros finally relented. For the first few years that races started using steeper climbs the team mechanics would have to cobble together drivetrains with components outside the manufacturer's "racing" groupsets, until finally the manufacturers had to introduce wider gear ranges into their top level "racing" groups.
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Old 10-02-2024, 02:08 PM
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I think the expression you are looking for is "fully internal". The word "integrated" is typically to mean that two or more functions are combined (as when derailleur and brake controls are combined into a single lever unit, or when a stem and handlebar are combined into a single "integrated cockpit" unit). With fully internal routing, the cables and hoses are not any more integrated, as the exact same cables and hoses are used with external routing. "Fully internal" routing just routes them inside instead of outside.
Yes, "fully internal" is also an acceptable phrase. But "fully integrated" has become part of the common vernacular, and is used to describe cable routing.

Some examples of the term in the wild:
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Old 10-02-2024, 02:52 PM
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Yes, "fully internal" is also an acceptable phrase. But "fully integrated" has become part of the common vernacular, and is used to describe cable routing.
Acceptable to cyclists maybe, but cycling has long been the realm of hobbyists who have bastardize the standard technical lexicon. For example, the technical definition of the word "rake" is the angle of the front projection (such as a ship with a raked bow), but cyclists (incorrectly) use this word for a front offset. Interestingly, motorcycles evolved from bicycles, but in the motorcycle world these words are used correctly - the angle of a motorcycle fork is referred to as its "rake", and the perpendicular offset of the axle from the steering axis is called the "offset".
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Old 10-04-2024, 12:22 AM
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Really tried hard to get a grail cuz those handlebars looked like a lot of fun. These.... not sure why anybody would need or want to swap between trad and flared drops. A classic lets create a problem to solve where there isn't one, situation.
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Old 10-04-2024, 01:37 AM
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Really tried hard to get a grail cuz those handlebars looked like a lot of fun. These.... not sure why anybody would need or want to swap between trad and flared drops. A classic lets create a problem to solve where there isn't one, situation.
Already explained in the thread but I will try again. It's not so you can swap. It's so you can pick one or the other based on your preference.
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Old 10-04-2024, 08:17 AM
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Incredible time to be alive if you're a fan of kooky ass handlebars. So many options.
Subtly funny comment.
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Old 10-04-2024, 03:22 PM
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First the hover bar, then the KIS steering damper, and now…. This.

https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...farbe=R107_P01
Unpopular opinion: it actually makes sense.
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