Transgender woman wins UCI track championship

[Aaron O]

Originally Posted by William

What does "Old White men" have to do with anything?




William

Other than over representation at every level of government?

[William]

Originally Posted by Aaron O

Other than over representation at every level of government?

Voted in by the populace?




William

[avalonracing]

Originally Posted by William

Voted in by the populace?

William

Through gerrymandering?

[Keith A]

Let's keep politics out of this, okay?

[William]

Originally Posted by avalonracing

Through gerrymandering?

Uh huh, my point is when people start injecting race into a conversation, especially one that starts as transgenders in competition things are going to get shut down fast.

I can see many sides of this issue, feelings, emotion, and science. Keep the conversation there....on topic






William

[MattTuck]

Some sports require more power/strength, while some require more endurance. Of the trans women who achieve elite results in sport, what is the break down of sports that are power based, vs. those that are endurance based.

If there is no power advantage associated with being a trans woman, then you'd expect the split to reflect the natural base rate of women's participation in sports. If you see there is an over-representation in power/strength sports, that raises the spectre that there may indeed be an advantage, and that the criteria for competition should be looked at more carefully.

[LegendRider]

Stories of transgender athletes winning various competitions are becoming more common, but I don't recall any where a transgender man (female > male) has beaten a group of biological males. Are there any noteworthy examples that I've missed?

[93KgBike]

Originally Posted by mtechnica

I’m trying to be understanding, but having read what the winner of this race said, it sounds like she truly believes she has every right to compete against biological females and that it’s completely fair. I disagree and think it’s completely unfair, and I am struggling to understand how it’s in any way fair besides having to act like it’s fair in order to be inclusive and politically correct. Please help change my mind, my mind can be changed, but only with facts and science.

You are upset by these women existing in a way that interacts/contradicts with 'traditional' beliefs about what gender is. You asking me to change your feelings. And I'm saying that you need to examine them yourself.

You say, "biologically female" as if gender is binary. What about chromosomal hemaphrodism, or morphologic hemaphrodism? Are these not facts of existence? So then why are these women not facts of existence? They are women, not men. And they are athletes.

The IOC definitions have already been posted here. So the governing bodies have already moved past feelings on the subject.

It's not easy for me to figure out what to do here, either. As I said before, if Rachel McKinnon(Cat 1) and Jillian Bearden(Pro) can't agree, this must be a challenging topic.

We live in a country that promises, "justice for all," including for transgender people. That's just where we live. Yelling no, no, no is not an answer to living with people that have been born with a different gender experience than yours or mine. And feeling strongly that they should suffer in silence, or just vanish is not responsive to where we are.

If we lived in another society, the government might be exterminating these human beings. I'm so grateful to live here, where we have moved past those feelings, and are at least trying to struggle with the super-complex facts of what life is actually like.

[makoti]

Originally Posted by Matthew

Just a question, but how come we can identify as a man or woman but we can't identify as a different race? I am white. I cannot identify as Hispanic or Black but I can identify as a woman? Sorry, but you are born one or the other.

You can choose not to identify as anything

[livingminimal]

Originally Posted by William

Uh huh, my point is when people start injecting race into a conversation, especially one that starts as transgenders in competition things are going to get shut down fast.

I can see many sides of this issue, feelings, emotion, and science. Keep the conversation there....on topic






William

I just want to know why you sign your name on every post.

[earlfoss]

Originally Posted by livingminimal

I just want to know why you sign your name on every post.

LOL here we go with the troll

[William]

Originally Posted by MattTuck

Some sports require more power/strength, while some require more endurance. Of the trans women who achieve elite results in sport, what is the break down of sports that are power based, vs. those that are endurance based.

If there is no power advantage associated with being a trans woman, then you'd expect the split to reflect the natural base rate of women's participation in sports. If you see there is an over-representation in power/strength sports, that raises the spectre that there may indeed be an advantage, and that the criteria for competition should be looked at more carefully.

Here is one who feels it isn't fair to fight women after transitioning, she still wants to fight men....
https://www.mmamania.com/2018/3/11/1...railson-paixao

Fallon Fox would be on the other end of the spectrum.






William






William

[William]

Originally Posted by livingminimal

I just want to know why you sign your name on every post.

I identify as William





William

[livingminimal]

Originally Posted by earlfoss

LOL here we go with the troll

How am I a troll? Because I say things you dont like, and it pisses you off?

It's a genuine question. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen here.












livingminimal

[William]

Originally Posted by livingminimal

It's a genuine question. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen here.












livingminimal

Why do you care?





William