OT: sportwagen

[palincss]

Originally Posted by superbowlpats

Was parked next to a Buick Regal Tour X (that's a mouthful) at recent CX race. Must admit it looked pretty good, very Euro no Buick and used prices are not obscene.

Have you ever owned an orphan? Because that's what that (actually Opel) Regal Tour X is. GM doesn't even own Opel anymore.

[nspace]

Originally Posted by palincss

I think most of the complaints about jerky DSG are from people who haven't taken the time to learn how to drive a DSG transmission.

lol

[superbowlpats]

Originally Posted by palincss

I think most of the complaints about jerky DSG are from people who haven't taken the time to learn how to drive a DSG transmission. As far as I'm concerned, the DSG is the best auto transmission I've ever driven.

Oil consumption is zero, and no suspension noises either.

As they say, YMMV.

My TDI has a DSG and all I do is put it in D. Occasionally it seems to lose its mind and will downshift too much/rev too high (sometimes happens when in cruise on a long uphill). I dont use sport mode or the paddles because, well its a TDI not a WRX And yes I get it serviced every 40K miles.

My friend has a '22 Tiguan. It consumes oil but the service manager says thats "normal".

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by palincss

I have a 2017 VW Golf Alltrack and I haven't had any of those problems either. In 50,000 miles my sole problems have been a battery that needed replacement and an oxygen sensor that created all sorts of warnings on the dashboard when it failed. That one was a mystery that took some time to fix, and gave me the chance to see what rental car RAV-4 and the competing Chevrolet small SUV (I forget the model name) were like. And those SUVs were bloody horrible to drive.

I love my Golf Alltrack. It's one of the best cars I've ever owned.

Same here..85,000 miles and one battery needed. Golf S 4Motion, 2017...

[saab2000]

Originally Posted by superbowlpats

My TDI has a DSG and all I do is put it in D. Occasionally it seems to lose its mind and will downshift too much/rev too high (sometimes happens when in cruise on a long uphill). I dont use sport mode or the paddles because, well its a TDI not a WRX And yes I get it serviced every 40K miles.

My friend has a '22 Tiguan. It consumes oil but the service manager says thats "normal".

That’s not normal. I had a 2018 Tiguan. Sold it to a friend. Also had a 2006 GTI. Neither burned or leaked a drop of oil. I found that the VW service advisers were, at best, mediocre and at worst pretty crooked. The minimum an owner should do is read and understand the MANUFACTURER’S service requirements and service intervals. The dealerships often seem to have their own bizarre, made up services. Better yet, find a recommended independent shop that specializes in German cars. I found one about a year before I sold my Tiguan. It wasn’t less expensive but I felt the guy whose shop it is was way more honest and actually cared about the work he did.

Anyway, modern cars shouldn’t consume oil. Something ain’t right.

[foggypeake]

Originally Posted by palincss

Have you ever owned an orphan? Because that's what that (actually Opel) Regal Tour X is. GM doesn't even own Opel anymore.

True, but GM will still honor any warranty issues (within their timeframe, 3 years or 36K miles). We had to have the sunscreen replaced about a year ago and other than sourcing the part, it was painless. Long distance road trips are what this car was built for. We've driven it to Canada and South Carolina from Maryland and it's been incredibly comfortable while averaging about 30mpg.

[batman1425]

Originally Posted by saab2000

Anyway, modern cars shouldn’t consume oil. Something ain’t right.

You're right, but a LOT of them do. VAG products in particular have a horrible reputation for oil consumption. My A3 (GTI with Audi badging) burned a quart every 5k miles. My Golf R wasn't as bad, more like a quart every 7k. I bought both new and did all the recommended service. I had the dealer do 2 oil consumption tests on the A3 and was told it was fine. It had to consume more than 1QT/1200 miles to fail.

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Same here..85,000 miles and one battery needed. Golf S 4Motion, 2017...

My experience with VAG products is it is somewhat of a coin flip. Some are seemingly indestructible while others are nothing but problems. My A3 and Golf R to a lesser extent were problem prone. Both stranded me at least once before they were 4yrs old. My Sportwagen has so far been pretty solid (knock on wood). I keep buying them because I can't find what I want from another manuf.

[old fat man]

I mentioned my alltrack SE 6MT earlier. It was reasonably fun to drive but not even close to as enjoyable as my father's 2018 allroad. The allroad is soooooooo much nicer handling, smoother, and exponentially more comfortable seating. That all makes up for the lack of MT.

[avalonracing]

Originally Posted by old fat man

I mentioned my alltrack SE 6MT earlier. It was reasonably fun to drive but not even close to as enjoyable as my father's 2018 allroad. The allroad is soooooooo much nicer handling, smoother, and exponentially more comfortable seating. That all makes up for the lack of MT.

For some of us, NOTHING makes up for the lack of a manual transmission.

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by avalonracing

For some of us, NOTHING makes up for the lack of a manual transmission.

so much this - too bad my alltrack will be the end of the road of driving only manual transmissions.

[old fat man]

Originally Posted by avalonracing

For some of us, NOTHING makes up for the lack of a manual transmission.

I thought so too. Until I spent enough time with the allroad. I'd be content with an older Audi or VW MT sedan or 2 seater to scratch my MT itch while owning a higher performance automatic wagon for wagon purposes.

[Cycling Giraffe]

Originally Posted by batman1425

You're right, but a LOT of them do. VAG products in particular have a horrible reputation for oil consumption. My A3 (GTI with Audi badging) burned a quart every 5k miles. My Golf R wasn't as bad, more like a quart every 7k. I bought both new and did all the recommended service. I had the dealer do 2 oil consumption tests on the A3 and was told it was fine. It had to consume more than 1QT/1200 miles to fail.




My experience with VAG products is it is somewhat of a coin flip. Some are seemingly indestructible while others are nothing but problems. My A3 and Golf R to a lesser extent were problem prone. Both stranded me at least once before they were 4yrs old. My Sportwagen has so far been pretty solid (knock on wood). I keep buying them because I can't find what I want from another manuf.

VAG products have nothing on BMW V8s. I had a couple of Audis, with both the ubiquitous 2.0 turbo 4 and the supercharged 3.0 V6 (what a great engine). Yes, they would consume a bit of oil between changes, but nothing like the twin turbo V8 in the 550i they shared the garage with.

[GonaSovereign]

Originally Posted by avalonracing

For some of us, NOTHING makes up for the lack of a manual transmission.

100%
The pool of manuals is shrinking faster than a watering hole in the Kalahari.

[Ralph]

While manual transmissions (to me anyway) make driving more fun and engaging, and when learning to drive helps beginning drivers understand how an engine operates, they are no longer the way to go for performance vehicles. Even the CUP Series in NASCAR uses a DCT these days. Also Indy and F 1. And even regular tq converter 9-10 speed automatic cars are faster at the drag strip than manual versions. The latest Shelby GT 500 Mustang and Corvette has a DCT now. And while I really dislike CVT transmissions in many passenger cars, they give improved efficiency over manual trans vehicles. There is a good reason manual trans vehicles are going away....unfortunately.

[palincss]

Originally Posted by avalonracing

For some of us, NOTHING makes up for the lack of a manual transmission.

Spend a little time driving in Metro DC, that'll cure you of your MT addiction.