The 'Un-Official' Campagnolo Ekar thread - Page 41

AngryScientist · #**601** 01-15-2021, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Velocipede

Campagnolo owns almost a dozen factories around the world. Depending on the pieces, it will be mostly Italy or Romania. I believe the breakdown is like this:
cranks- Italy
BB- Italy
levers/calipers- Taiwan
cassette- Italy
chain- Italy
rear derailleur- Italy
rotors- Romania

I know the crank, bb, levers/calipers and chain are correct. I can see it on the boxes in a pic I have. I can't see the others but I believe that's the breakdown from what I remember.

Thanks. So getting a group is truly a global effort. Interestingly the only parts i'm going to need come from Italy then, haha, perfect.

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Originally Posted by mistermo

Ooops, I mistakenly reversed it. Yes, a 13s chain won't work with 12s Rotor rings. Corrected my post.

gotcha. yes, i think you're stuck. it's unlikely a 12s chain will work with the cassette stack. the only reason they would have went with a narrower chain is if the spacing of the cassette required reducing the width of the chain, which is almost certainly the case to squeeze another cog in there.

mistermo · #**602** 01-15-2021, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AngryScientist

gotcha. yes, i think you're stuck. it's unlikely a 12s chain will work with the cassette stack. the only reason they would have went with a narrower chain is if the spacing of the cassette required reducing the width of the chain, which is almost certainly the case to squeeze another cog in there.

Appears Ekar has succeeded where others have failed and have designed the first fully 'closed' system.

Wangsanegara · #**603** 01-15-2021, 11:49 PM

Hi Dave,

Measurement Attached.

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Originally Posted by Dave

While you're measuring. How about the width across the inner plates, right over the pin holes. That tells how wide a quick link needs to be, to produce the normal .1-.2mm clearance. Width a across the outer plates would also be valuable information.

Wangsanegara · #**604** 01-15-2021, 11:56 PM

Unfortunately I can't measure the cassette spacing as I am still missing the cassette since I am looking for the 10-44T. However, I suspect that the spacing of ekar 13 will be much less than the 12s, hence narrower chain.

As soon as I got the cassette, I will post measurement on Ekar Cassette spacing.

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Originally Posted by mistermo

I've got a yet-to-be installed Ekar group and was hoping to go full Ekar 1x13, just with Rotor cranks/rings. Since we know conclusively that the 13s chain won't work with Rotor rings, there's only one last option which would be to hope that it could work [even imperfectly] with an Ekar cassette. I know, I'm grasping.

Dave · #**605** 01-16-2021, 10:17 AM

The chain width at the pin is nearly identical to a sram axs road chain. The sram quick link will most likely work, if needed, in a pinch.

AngryScientist · #**606** 01-16-2021, 06:11 PM

another question:

do the new ekar BB cups for english threaded BB's use the same tool to install as the old ones or do i need some new tool?

Velocipede · #**607** 01-16-2021, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AngryScientist

another question:

do the new ekar BB cups for english threaded BB's use the same tool to install as the old ones or do i need some new tool?

Same

fignon's barber · #**608** 01-17-2021, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Velocipede

Campagnolo owns almost a dozen factories around the world. Depending on the pieces, it will be mostly Italy or Romania. I believe the breakdown is like this:
cranks- Italy
BB- Italy
levers/calipers- Taiwan
cassette- Italy
chain- Italy
rear derailleur- Italy
rotors- Romania

I know the crank, bb, levers/calipers and chain are correct.

No, it's also dependent on the groupset. I've got 2020 Record brakes here and the box says Romania, and 2020 Chorus brakes that the box said Made in Taiwan.

SpeedyChix · #**609** 01-17-2021, 03:31 PM

@Velocipede or others;

For a non-flat mount fork: with the Ekar brake system work okay with a Magura caliper? AKA fluid compatibility between the reformulated Blue Blood for the Ekar vs original formula used with mountain bike systems?

Velocipede · #**610** 01-17-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fignon's barber

No, it's also dependent on the groupset. I've got 2020 Record brakes here and the box says Romania, and 2020 Chorus brakes that the box said Made in Taiwan.

Understood. I was speaking about the Ekar group specifically.

Velocipede · #**611** 01-17-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyChix

@Velocipede or others;

For a non-flat mount fork: with the Ekar brake system work okay with a Magura caliper? AKA fluid compatibility between the reformulated Blue Blood for the Ekar vs original formula used with mountain bike systems?

Campy levers were designed in team with Magura. So they do work with Magura calipers. NOW, I have not personally tried this but I have seen and heard of people doing it without issues. BUT, the new Ekar system uses a different fluid. It's red in color. WHY? No idea. Campy NA can't even give me an answer why. It's a mineral oil based system so it should be compatible. I would suggest using the red fluid though just to make sure there's no issues.

SpeedyChix · #**612** 01-17-2021, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Velocipede

Campy levers were designed in team with Magura. So they do work with Magura calipers. NOW, I have not personally tried this but I have seen and heard of people doing it without issues. BUT, the new Ekar system uses a different fluid. It's red in color. WHY? No idea. Campy NA can't even give me an answer why. It's a mineral oil based system so it should be compatible. I would suggest using the red fluid though just to make sure there's no issues.

Wish I'd marked where I read this, the boiling point was raised in the red fluid vs the blue. IDK if that's true or not.

Thanks for your help.

R3awak3n · #**613** 01-17-2021, 07:02 PM

also magura brake pads work fine as well and are cheaper (substantially from what I remember). I found them on super sale and bought a bunch, I don't have campy disc atm but I know I will have the system again. I love that they are magnetic, its a great sytem.

Velocipede · #**614** 01-17-2021, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyChix

Wish I'd marked where I read this, the boiling point was raised in the red fluid vs the blue. IDK if that's true or not.

Thanks for your help.

I heard that also but it doesn't make sense since the road disc bikes would be traveling at a higher speed and braking for longer than a gravel bike. So you'd think the Royal Blood would be fine given it's used in Magura disc brakes on mountain bikes and for downhill use. Again, something that would possibly boil faster than a gravel bike.

JWB475 · #**615** 01-17-2021, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyChix

@Velocipede or others;

For a non-flat mount fork: with the Ekar brake system work okay with a Magura caliper? AKA fluid compatibility between the reformulated Blue Blood for the Ekar vs original formula used with mountain bike systems?

The Hope RX4 post mount calipers also allegedly will work with Ekar, although I don't know if it is official yet...
https://www.hopetech.com/products/br...mount-caliper/