Something new from Ritchey

[EB]

Originally Posted by benb

I think the fact this is a metal bike makes it more reasonable for you to be disappointed in narrow size ranges.

Metal isn't winning any performance contests any more. One of the best ways for them to provide additional value with alloy or steel bikes and to differentiate them from their carbon competitors is to make more sizes and make them fit a wider array of people well. It's too bad too few do this.

The extreme ends of the sizing range move a lot fewer units than the middle - that's just the reality of the bell curve in adult human sizing. A builder like Maxway might very well impose a minimum order per size that can place a serious economic constraint on a niche product like this. Mike Varley at Black Mountain Cycles has written a lot about this - this is why he cut his model range.

I get where you are coming from, but I think there are likely real reasons why Ritchey limits its range.

[boomforeal]

xxl sizing -- tall dudes rejoice!?

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/2024-s...-bikes-part-2/

[prototoast]

By Ritchey standards, this geometry isn't bad. I could see myself riding this.

[NHAero]

Originally Posted by boomforeal

xxl sizing -- tall dudes rejoice!?

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/2024-s...-bikes-part-2/

Same fork rake on all sizes with HTA going from 71 to 72.5 seems like a miss.

[sparky33]

Originally Posted by boomforeal

xxl sizing -- tall dudes rejoice!?

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/2024-s...-bikes-part-2/

I would be on the medium Montebello...
the size medium 593 stack & 390 reach sound to me like typical size large numbers, but it is what it is.

fwiw, I can't wait to build up one of these - I've been looking for a stock frameset like this for a while.

[EB]

I'm harboring deep thoughts about swapping my Outback for this.

[mhespenheide]

Originally Posted by boomforeal

xxl sizing -- tall dudes rejoice!?

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/2024-s...-bikes-part-2/

Wow. At 6'3", I'd probably go for the XL. Nice to have options!

[weisan]

Originally Posted by sparky33

I would be on the medium Montebello...
the size medium 593 stack & 390 reach sound to me like typical size large numbers, but it is what it is.

fwiw, I can't wait to build up one of these - I've been looking for a stock frameset like this for a while.

[sparky33]

Originally Posted by weisan

baguette-packing

[Alistair]

P-29er geo chart included in that link. And wow, it doesn’t look good. Steep-ish HA (69*), long ass chain stays (440). Weird. If it has been 68 and 430, I’d probably buy one. But as published, the Fairlight Holt looks better, I think, for a race-y XC/green trail/chunky gravel bike.

[EB]

Originally Posted by Alistair

P-29er geo chart included in that link. And wow, it doesn’t look good. Steep-ish HA (69*), long ass chain stays (440). Weird. If it has been 68 and 430, I’d probably buy one. But as published, the Fairlight Holt looks better, I think, for a race-y XC/green trail/chunky gravel bike.

The geo on the P-29er is nearly identical to the 2015 P-29er, plus or minute a degree here and there:

https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/ritchey-p-29er-2015/

So it's basically a 2015 P-29er with (presumably) thru axles and boost spacing. Not for me, but I know some Midwestern posters on this board that don't like modern geo that will be excited.

[ridethecliche]

I'm curious what would make someone pick one of these over a fairlight secan. Fairlight has the geometry options down and the rack mounts look to have much better options.

That said, the stack and reach measurements of this would also work for me. I would have loved a road logic disc but I feel like I'm kind of in no mans land with sizing a bit. I looked at some of the used rim brake options popping up on the forum and would have loved to try one but can't imagine getting rid of the caad13 for one.

Anyway.... cool on them for coming out with a pretty cool frameset option!

[EB]

Originally Posted by ridethecliche

I'm curious what would make someone pick one of these over a fairlight secan. Fairlight has the geometry options down and the rack mounts look to have much better options.

I was going to say price, but with the pricing on the Montebello, they're getting pretty close to Fairlight's pricing.

I also personally like the approach Ritchey takes with their tubing, and the straight 1 1/8" steerer and straight headtube. A closer comparison for me is probably the Fairlight Faran, though it has a steel fork.

[mstateglfr]

Originally Posted by boomforeal

xxl sizing -- tall dudes rejoice!?

Straight 1 1\8 steerer, cool NDS dropout, 650mm stack, 409 reach, 78mm bb drop, 388mm a-c, 73.5sta, 72.5hta, 59mm trail with a 35mm tire.

I am genuinely shocked and really excited to see the bike.

[sparky33]

Originally Posted by ridethecliche

I'm curious what would make someone pick one of these over a fairlight secan. Fairlight has the geometry options down and the rack mounts look to have much better options.

The Montebello seems about halfway between the Strael and the Secan in terms of tire clearance and utility. Perhaps that is why it makes sense to me. Ritchey tubing is pretty good too.

That said, I briefly owned a Faran. The quality and design are excellent. Fairlight does a great job at what they do.