The 'Un-Official' Campagnolo Ekar thread

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Nope, other way around..EKAR on otherwise 11s and 12s Ultrashift.

It's cool button shape. It'd be nice if you could put it on standard 11/12 UltraShift levers. I'll post what I find out on the part numbers and compatibility.

[morrisond]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

I'm not sure. The spindle is the same so I bet the bearing/seal system, could be installed on a Chorus. I haven't tried it. I will see if they have them in and I have a Chorus 12 here. I could try it if they have it. I'll find out.



T47- Yes, in 68mm and 86mm widths.

I read in one of the articles (Cyclingtips I think) that Campy would be switching to the new Bearing/BB system on all cranks - including existing 12s ones as the extra drag is minimal as a running change.

So new bearings and cups should be backwards compatible.

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by morrisond

I read in one of the articles (Cyclingtips I think) that Campy would be switching to the new Bearing/BB system on all cranks - including existing 12s ones as the extra drag is minimal as a running change.

So new bearings and cups should be backwards compatible.

I haven't seen or heard anything and I have info for 2021 right now. Unless they sneak it in and do a change to everything. Which could happen. They usually don't like to do that though. They usually like to do no extra updates throughout the year. I'll ask though.

[thirdgenbird]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Not sure about the 32 but the 34/36 DO bolt onto the crank directly, since 4 arm cranks, 2015..8 total holes for chainrings..NOT into the big ring..

Are you sure? I have not taken mine apart, but my chorus 12 crank appears to only have one set of holes and the 36 is attached to the 52. The Campagnolo website specifically says the small ring bolts to the large ring as well.

Record and SR have 8 holes. The parts book shows chorus having 8 but I suspect they used the wrong diagram. There is finished carbon fiber when looking through the hex on the small ring bolts.

Here is the website copy for chorus:
“Assembly of the large chainring on the crank is guaranteed by a ring of 123 mm bolts, while the two chainrings are coupled together by a ring of 96 mm bolts.”

Originally Posted by morrisond

I read in one of the articles (Cyclingtips I think) that Campy would be switching to the new Bearing/BB system on all cranks - including existing 12s ones as the extra drag is minimal as a running change.

So new bearings and cups should be backwards compatible.

I was anticipating (centaur) chorus and record to get the upgrade but not SR. it already doesn’t have the inner seal.

[Mark McM]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Are you sure? I have not taken mine apart, but my chorus 12 crank appears to only have one set of holes and the 36 is attached to the 52. The Campagnolo website specifically says the small ring bolts to the large ring as well.

It has to be this way, because the smallest chainring that will fit on the Chorus crank's 123mm BCD is about 37 tooth. So Ekar's 38 tooth chainring works fine, but the Pink Jersey's claim of a 32, 34 or 36 tooth single chainring ring won't fit the crank directly without some kind of adapter (or a 2nd chainring). (By the way, the 96mm inner chainring position should fit a chainring as small as 30 teeth.)

[morrisond]

It seems I was misremembering.

From CyclingTips

"In between the arms is Campagnolo’s trademark split steel spindle design with a sturdy Hirth-type toothed joint. It looks like Ultra-Torque, and feels like Ultra-Torque … but it’s not Ultra-Torque. Instead, Campagnolo has dubbed the new system ProTech, and while the overall layout is essentially the same as Ultra-Torque with cartridge bearings pressed on to each split spindle, it’s apparently sufficiently different that it’s not backward-compatible, which is important given that Campagnolo plans to adopt ProTech for all new products moving forward.

Link to article https://cyclingtips.com/2020/09/new-...eed-to-gravel/

[saab2000]

I know it's still not long since the intro but has anyone seen this yet or had any delivered or even had the chance to ride it yet?

This groupset has gotten my interest in Campagnolo back.

[madsciencenow]

Originally Posted by saab2000

I know it's still not long since the intro but has anyone seen this yet or had any delivered or even had the chance to ride it yet?

This groupset has gotten my interest in Campagnolo back.

I was wondering the same about anyone on here providing some real world feedback.


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[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by saab2000

I know it's still not long since the intro but has anyone seen this yet or had any delivered or even had the chance to ride it yet?

This groupset has gotten my interest in Campagnolo back.

Originally Posted by madsciencenow

I was wondering the same about anyone on here providing some real world feedback.


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Yes and yes. Some of the pics I've posted is of the kit I've had.

[Velocipede]

-- I spoke to Campy NA today, they have ZERO of the T47 bottom brackets and 10 x 44th cassettes. No one does. Campy Italy hasn't shipped any yet of either. I have a couple build kits on order (you know who you are ) who are waiting for those exact pieces. So I check regularly.

-- Another thing... the Quick Link, yes, they are offering them separately.

-- The chain INCLUDES 2 quick links in the chain box.

-- OEM brands like 3T are ordering A LOT of kits. They just ordered 40+ from the US office alone!

-- Aivee is making N3W freehub bodies right now. So I will be able to offer Aivee Hubs with EKAR builds soon.

-- There will be NO 13 Speed Road Kits!!! The Campy guys are getting asked this multiple times a day. The rear derailleur is so significantly different than the normal ones that they won't work in a normal road system. So you can stop speculating that it's in the works or that it'll work in a planned hack.

-- YES, the N3W freehub body will be available for older wheels as a retrofit. I have the part numbers for all of that as well as the lockrings, spacers and other small parts for the system.

-- With the exception of the 3T order, almost all of the EKAR kits that Campy NA has sold, they've also gotten the Shamal Carbon Disc wheels for them. While that sounds crazy, it makes sense since most companies do not have hubs or wheels readily available with the N3W freehub bodies.

-- If you are wanting EKAR, do it now. They are getting kits and parts in all the time. But they have a bunch of orders for EKAR. So if you want it, sign up now.


Let me know if you have any other questions.

[AngryScientist]

Once this stuff becomes more available, i've got my eye on putting together a hybrid rim brake version. pretty souped for a project i have in the works!

[thirdgenbird]

Any ETA on crank arm protectors or their compatibility with Chorus?

[Velocipede]

Originally Posted by thirdgenbird

Any ETA on crank arm protectors or their compatibility with Chorus?

We started talking about it and he had to go. There's only 2 people in the office and they had 2 containers to go thru today. Swamped is an understatement

[ERK55]

Though I have no current need for Ekar I’m glad that this seems to be a H.R. for Campagnolo, particularly after years of their receiving flak following their MTB debacle.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by ERK55

Though I have no current need for Ekar I’m glad that this seems to be a H.R. for Campagnolo, particularly after years of their receiving flak following their MTB debacle.

Not to ‘bicker’(see ‘bicker’ thread->>), but Campag’s ill fated MTB stuff happened 30 years ago and it’s non acceptance(along with Suntour’s stuff) wasn’t so much poor function of the kit(Record OR worked VERY well) but shimano going all in, stem to stern on MTB..

I think Campag has had many ‘triples’(get it?)and homeruns since. Campagnolo and Fulcrum wheels(I wonder how many people who buy an MTB with Fulcrum wheels know they are a Campag product), 8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s and now 13s....Except for 8s, the “S” segments of the industry followed on ‘speed’ increases rather than lead. Their mechanical shifting, disc brake offerings are seen as the best of the bunch.....

BTW, where IS DA 12s??

So.....