OT new perspective on curing some cancers

[paredown]

This was the article last week that I found partlicularly interesting--that a significant percentage of cancers start as infections. [share; no paywall]

Most cases of stomach cancer are caused by bacteria. A majority of cervical cancers, as well as some genital and oral cancers, are caused by a virus. And certain chronic viral infections can lead to liver cancer.

Infections like these account for an estimated 13 percent of all cancer cases globally, according to a new report published Wednesday by the American Association for Cancer Research. But knowing which infections can lead to cancer means scientists also have a good idea how to prevent them from ever getting that far: There are effective vaccines and medications to prevent and treat these infections, and they can be detected early on through screening.

Seems like these would be easy to control, and prevent rather than treat...


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/w...smid=url-share

[C40_guy]

The book Outlive, by Peter Attia, provides a pretty interesting discussion of the causes of serious illnesses, and provides recommendations on how to reduce your risk.

Hint - Like building a tree, you should have started 40 years ago. Today is also a good time to start.

[jimcav]

Originally Posted by paredown

This was the article last week that I found partlicularly interesting--that a significant percentage of cancers start as infections. [share; no paywall]



Seems like these would be easy to control, and prevent rather than treat...


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/w...smid=url-share

because of medical research that led to HPV vaccine, Hep A and Hep B vaccine, Hep C vaccines are in development, and research is why testing for H. Pylori is common-place when you have any ulcer symptoms.

[Nomadmax]

Originally Posted by Novasfyre

Just think, all you had to do to avoid having cancer multiple times was to use hydrogen peroxide! Sure, you'd have died after the first bout of cancer but at least you wouldn't have had it multiple times!

Now that made me laugh Thank you

[Black Dog]

Originally Posted by Permanent socks

Western medicine is great. Inspite the fact that it is 100% reactive and the pharmaceutical industry makes 10s of billions of dollars selling meds that try to mitigate the side effects of the primary prescription.

No one who funds medical research wants to get rid of what they're researching. They want to patent a drug and sell other drugs with it.

Kind.of like people who work with solving the homeless crisis. Why would you eliminate the source of your wealth?

Do you actually know anyone in these fields personally? Your broad strokes statements are absurdly false. There are so many dedicated people who would be more than happy to find some new work because they solved almost intractable problems that plague our society. The internet may not be the friend you think it is.

[earlfoss]

I work in nuclear medicine. My company manufactures a radioactive drug that is in late-stage clinical trials. This stuff is extremely specific, targeting only the cancer cells. Once on the market it will reduce or eliminate the need for chemotherapy. If you've ever seen someone go through chemo you know what a godsend this is.

[batman1425]

Originally Posted by jimcav

because of medical research that led to HPV vaccine, Hep A and Hep B vaccine, Hep C vaccines are in development, and research is why testing for H. Pylori is common-place when you have any ulcer symptoms.

Martin Blaser's book "Missing Microbes" does a nice job summarizing the findings around the H. pylori and cancer link and other associated human-microbe-disease interactions. Worth a read if interested in this space.

[bikerboy337]

OMG, really? I really take exception to your last line, wow just wow…. As someone who’s wife has spent the past 20 years of her career working to fight food insecurity and homelessness you are way off base… if she cared about money those are the last places she’d work, plenty of money elsewhere. That take is such a narcissist take that I’m just beyond words… go talk to someone who is working to help others and have a deep conversation before you make a statement like that….sometimes people do actually have empathy and want to help others in a less fortunate position.

Sorry this just really struck a nerve to have such a pessimistic view of others and to suggest anyone fighting cancer or homelessness is only in it for themselves and money is disheartening to me…

Originally Posted by Permanent socks

Western medicine is great. Inspite the fact that it is 100% reactive and the pharmaceutical industry makes 10s of billions of dollars selling meds that try to mitigate the side effects of the primary prescription.

No one who funds medical research wants to get rid of what they're researching. They want to patent a drug and sell other drugs with it.

Kind.of like people who work with solving the homeless crisis. Why would you eliminate the source of your wealth?

[robt57]

Originally Posted by Permanent socks

Western medicine is great. Inspite the fact that it is 100% reactive and the pharmaceutical industry makes 10s of billions of dollars selling meds that try to mitigate the side effects of the primary prescription.

No one who funds medical research wants to get rid of what they're researching. They want to patent a drug and sell other drugs with it.

Kind.of like people who work with solving the homeless crisis. Why would you eliminate the source of your wealth?

Money does make the world go round, no doubt. Having said that, we here are thankful for this, 'mitigate the side effects of the primary prescription'. Chemo 'life' is partially 'mitigated' [lets use that word here too] in terms of the side effects largely with said drugs. I've seen this three times over 30 years and that aspect is well appreciated here with the 3rd iteration/person in my circle.

Your point is factual, but I can see how/why folks are taking exception to it.

I personally feel, and only recently seeing the costs of the treatment, that ours INS costs seem a lot like less like money in the wind which my former prospective gave me.

[Nomadmax]

Originally Posted by earlfoss

I work in nuclear medicine. My company manufactures a radioactive drug that is in late-stage clinical trials. This stuff is extremely specific, targeting only the cancer cells. Once on the market it will reduce or eliminate the need for chemotherapy. If you've ever seen someone go through chemo you know what a godsend this is.

I'll back that up as true from personal experience. And thank you for being involved in the cause. I've lived thru two bouts of two different kinds of cancer because of people like you.

[jimcav]

Originally Posted by batman1425

Martin Blaser's book "Missing Microbes" does a nice job summarizing the findings around the H. pylori and cancer link and other associated human-microbe-disease interactions. Worth a read if interested in this space.

right now most my 'reading' time is spent trying to get a better understanding factors of my son's IDDM.

[bshell]

Originally Posted by Permanent socks

Western medicine is great. Inspite the fact that it is 100% reactive and the pharmaceutical industry makes 10s of billions of dollars selling meds that try to mitigate the side effects of the primary prescription.

No one who funds medical research wants to get rid of what they're researching. They want to patent a drug and sell other drugs with it.

Kind.of like people who work with solving the homeless crisis. Why would you eliminate the source of your wealth?

Spoken like someone with truly no understanding or experience in the matter.

[Spaghetti Legs]

Yeah I guess that explains private equity buying up all those homeless camps.

[Permanent socks]

Most of the posters on this site are from the USA, where the overall health of nation is in decline and has been for decades, inspite of all of the advancements in medicine.

More people take prescription drugs in the USA than anywhere else on the planet, the drugs drugs in large part treat the symptoms of the root cause. Secondary prescriptions are likely to mitigate the side effects of the primary prescription.

There are many well intentioned people in medicine, I know some very dedicated doctors, and orthopedic surgeon, a psychiatrist, a pharmacist, and many nurses.

Most would agree that the majority of modern medicine only treats the symptoms after they've presented. There is very rarely any consideration to the cause of the presented symptoms. Pills not skills is the mantra...

We just went through a global pandemic where the vast majority of people who died or were greatly affected had co morbidities that are treated with better nutrition and exercise. The ONLY acceptable treatment was an untested, unproven thrleraputic. Anyone who even asked.questions was effectively removed from having a voice. I'm sure this last paragraph will further trigger some posters...

In no way am I conflating the idea that front line workers in the "food and housing insecurity" industries are the problem. The elite that control budgets in the many millions to billions of dollars works tirelessly every year to lobby governments of all levels to increase their working capital. There has never been a decrease.of either problem. In fact, they are at all time highs globally.

Why do administrators and directors of large programs with huge budgets make obscene money. Some even get performance scalled bonuses for increasing their budgets.

Medicine and the research involved.in furthering the proliferance of drugs prescribed is controlled and funded by the very people that profit from it...

If specialized had the means to corrupt at its core all r&d for bikes and had the ability to shut down anyone who dared.to mess worh their profits, while having the backing of governments and their regulators. What would happen?
It certainly wouldn't be for the benefit of consumers.

Big pharma regulates the entire industry with the huge stores of cash and influence.

Try getting research funding for something that would be of a net benefit for society that doesn't have the ability to be monetized.... you'll be caught in a regulatory hell.

Again, covid showed the world just how corrupted it's systems are.

Edit. There are a few autocorrected spelling mistakes and some extra periods placed erroneously, that's what typing on a phone keyboard gets you... 😀

[Permanent socks]

Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs

Yeah I guess that explains private equity buying up all those homeless camps.

Hahaha, don't you think/know that there's money being made off the backs of the most vulnerable in society?

Do you remember when the ccp visited San Francisco? What happened to the homeless camps?