Speedvagen Rugged'er Road

[zap]

Suspension fork and integrated seatmast………

[EB]

Originally Posted by zap

Suspension fork and integrated seatmast………

Everyone likes to bust out the metal saw when they need to install a dropper, it's true

[bicycletricycle]

I really want to ride that bike.

Originally Posted by Pastashop

I'd imagine the angles make a big difference in how all these ride, depending on what kind of riding they're used for. Peter Verdone, for all his rough edges, has been doing some really interesting stuff with frame angles. It's not the profile of riding that I do, but nice to see all the experimentation going on, both in terms of the bike itself and the price ceiling.

[EB]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

I really want to ride that bike.

The few folks I know that have ridden this thing have raved about it: https://www.evil-bikes.com/a/bikes/chamois-hagar

[bicycletricycle]

not exactly the same.......

but.....

they are really close in terms of general specifications. You are right the geometry is different but it isn't that different (depends a lot on which gravel frame though because the geometry can vary pretty wildly in the category). Shorter top tube lengths for drop bars is the biggest single difference I think.

I think the overall point people are making is this-

Mountain bikes embraced suspension and huge tires. Even X country bikes have 120mm travel these days. The simple agile hard tail disappeared from the mountain bike menu even though they are lots of fun and still have their place in the cycling world. This left a big hole in the bicycle market, a hole that was essentially filled with the fat tire gravel bike, it even looks like the old school hard tail and if you put flat bars on it you can hardly tell the difference at all.

Originally Posted by mtechnica

It's not the same, the geometry isn't the same and these have drop bars. IDK why people keep trying to claim gravel bikes are the same as old mountain bikes because they're not.

[bicycletricycle]

For a certain kind of riding I am sure they are great, especially if you are coming off of a modern mountain bike and are accustomed to the front end geometry. I know you can ride much more challenging terrain with this kind of geometry.

My personal preferences and ride profiles keep me in the more traditional geo camp for now but I love all bicycles and would love to try one of those.... things.... Not really sure what kind of bike that is.

Originally Posted by Eli Bingham

The few folks I know that have ridden this thing have raved about it: https://www.evil-bikes.com/a/bikes/chamois-hagar

[tuscanyswe]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

I really want to ride that bike.

Me 2. Truly different, would be fun to test.

The speedvagen is pretty much exactly what id expect they would do next. Not bad tho just not for me.

[72gmc]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

I really want to ride that bike.

Do you think you could wheelie that bike?

[CAAD]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

Bicycles cost a lot these days. I don't know exactly how those parts add up to 12k

This.

[EB]

Of course the next thing that happens is that people find out that 40mm of air-suspended fork travel really isn't enough, and you need at a minimum of 100mm... front end geometry starts to change to accommodate that fork travel... you can probably see where this is headed.

[joosttx]

I think a redshift stem is a lighter, cheaper and better solution to this fork.

[thermalattorney]

I'm with you all on the Chamois Hagar or PVD's creation. That's some big-brain thinking when it comes to geo that I desperately want to throw a leg over.

Owning a MTB with modern geo has made me completely rethink what I want in drop-bar geometry, both on and off-road.

[mtechnica]

If it’s all super slacked out it defeats the purpose of a gravel bike. Imo a gravel bike should feel pretty much like a road bike on the road. That red abomination posted above I promise would not be good in that regard.

[thermalattorney]

Originally Posted by mtechnica

If it’s all super slacked out it defeats the purpose of a gravel bike. Imo a gravel bike should feel pretty much like a road bike on the road. That red abomination posted above I promise would not be good in that regard.

Depends on your definition of gravel. A super slacked out drop bar bike sounds like the perfect thing to me. Since neither of us has ridden the aforementioned abomination, I'm not sure why I should trust you.

[unterhausen]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

I think the overall point people are making is this-

They really aren't anywhere near making a point, it's just trolling now.

Originally Posted by 72gmc

Do you think you could wheelie that bike?

I can't wheelie anything, but I have seen people wheelie a bakfiets cargo bike, so I'm sure someone could wheelie any of PVD's bikes.

I subscribe to the idea that if it don't look right, it ain't right. OTOH, we are wedded to a small range of bicycle geometry when a much wider range of geometry will work.