And you thought where you live is anti bike...

[pdonk]

Originally Posted by jamesdak

Sounds nice!

Here is a typical section.

This used to be 1 lane each direction for traffic and parking both sides, then during rush hour no parking.

The divided lanes vary depending on location.

This is one of the main east west streets in Toronto.

[zap]

Originally Posted by pdonk

That traffic jam is called driving in Toronto, it is a terrible place to have to drive.

I thought traffic was bad in the D.C. area. But, since the late 90's traffic in Toronto is worse.....and that's not including the Friday afternoon mayhem getting out of TO.

[EB]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

John Forester was an interesting guy. Fought against infra, but in the end he pretty much was against riding your bike on the road. Of course, a lot of us changed our minds on a lot of things since the '70s, when he wrote his book.

He had a pretty big influence on the municipal approach to bikes in the 70s and 80s, and deserves at least some share of the blame for where we are today.

[pdonk]

Originally Posted by zap

I thought traffic was bad in the D.C. area. But, since the late 90's traffic in Toronto is worse.....and that's not including the Friday afternoon mayhem getting out of TO.

I look out at Hwy 400 from my office, cottage traffic used to start at 4PM, it now starts at 10 am.

[pdonk]

It is now closer to being official. This is one of the steps in getting a bill passed into an act.

https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-9266

[EB]

So Doug Ford has continued his crack smoking brother's tradition of scapegoating bikes?

[benb]

Originally Posted by EB

John Forester has entered the chat.

I never thought he was anti infrastructure.

Just very clear about what is safe and what is not and for anyone rational it's pretty hard to argue against a lot of what he came up with.

The A-hole infrastructure people constantly dancing on his grave tend to not even ride enough to realize when their infrastructure is safe or not.

Taking a left from the painted bike lane that's to the right of all the car lanes is still dangerous. It's not any safer if you protect the bike lane.

A Bike lane for cyclists that are heading straight but it's located to the right of the right turning cars is also never going to be safe no matter what you do.

And no amount of bike lanes negates that we get hit by cars more often at intersections than on straight sections.

I think the benefits of infrastructure more often come down to 1) the infrastructure forces cars to slow down 2) The infrastructure gets more cyclists out on the road which makes drivers pay more attention to them.

[jet sanchez]

It’s farcical

And now Ford is sending out $200 checks to every Ontarian

That’s a total of 3 billion dollars

Three billion dollars not spent on fixing education, transit or health care, let alone traffic congestion

[pdonk]

Originally Posted by jet sanchez

It’s farcical

And now Ford is sending out $200 checks to every Ontarian

That’s a total of 3 billion dollars

Three billion dollars not spent on fixing education, transit or health care, let alone traffic congestion

I promise to spend as much of my family's $800 on bike stuff, most of which won't be used to reduce congestion.

[EB]

Originally Posted by benb

I never thought he was anti infrastructure.

He was.

Read this extensive interview Peter Flax did with him before he died. He would only agree to the interview if it was printed as a transcript, so these are his own words.

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...er-dies-at-90/

[GonaSovereign]

Originally Posted by jet sanchez

It’s farcical

And now Ford is sending out $200 checks to every Ontarian

That’s a total of 3 billion dollars

Three billion dollars not spent on fixing education, transit or health care, let alone traffic congestion

Buying people's votes with their own money.
Sadly citizens will never consider that they need to pay that back, plus interest.

I guess I will donate mine to Cycle Toronto.

[bicycletricycle]

Well, if people don’t want to convert their roads into bike baths then the government shouldn’t do it

[GonaSovereign]

Originally Posted by bicycletricycle

Well, if people don’t want to convert their roads into bike baths then the government shouldn’t do it

Sure. People.
In this case, the people in the cities concerned use the bike lanes. Their active use indicates they do want it.

Unfortunately the Toronto area has among the longest commute times in North America. The provincial government is pandering to those other people who do not live there, but instead commute in from their suburban homes and don't like their hour-long commute to be (according to the data) three minutes longer.

As if some kid going to school or salary man on their bike has the power to create the longest commute on the continent. i

[jonnyBgood]

Sounds like Omaha... remove bike lanes so they can make room for a Trolley Car!

[pdonk]

Originally Posted by jonnyBgood

Sounds like Omaha... remove bike lanes so they can make room for a Trolley Car!

Ford hates buses and streetcar, but loves a monorail.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/do....google.com%2F