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I grew up in NM and spent most of my 20s in AZ. Anyone else remember carrying at least two slime filled tubes for every ride, plus patch kit? I still remember that glorious day in the mid-00's when I got a "ghetto" tubeless setup with homebrew sealant to set up properly on my MTB - free from the tyranny of tubes. |
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One year in Albuquerque, so many flats, SO MANY GOATHEADS, switched everything except my fat bike to tubeless and never looked back.
Topping sealant on all the bikes in the house (mine, two sons, wife) can be a pain (her road bike still has tubes) but my riding partner is a doctor and brings "free" syringes from work that are perfect for re-filling and the extra hose is great for checking current levels of sealant (dipstick), it only takes a few minutes and I very rarely have any flats to deal with.
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Roller data tracks roll down data on regular asphalt: https://blog.silca.cc/part-4b-rollin...-and-impedance The whole thing is a very interesting multi-variate puzzle. To me personally, because the vast amount of mileage I've put down riding 700cx25/28/38/42 vs. 650bx42/48/52 outside in the real world does not track well to the statistically clean, regression tested, ride around a velodrome at 17.32mph "lab" data. And that's just riding on pavement. Things get even more complicated with dirt, gravel, and knobbs. Quote:
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I'll chime in as someone that's worked in the industry for some time but doesn't make any actual bike parts.
Tire to rim interfaces are F'ed and it's the biggest problem our industry faces. From a rider safety standpoint as well as a general compatibility issue. We had a tubeless standard that worked pretty damn well. Then that Stan fellow came along and effectively fractured the industry into a dozen pieces. RH might have more compatibility issues than other tire brands but they are certainly not the only ones seeing issues. I do suspect that you could offset some of the casing related issues with a more robust bead. That's the foundation of the tire after all. The industry is working on trying to get everyone on the same page but I doubt it will ever happen. Perhaps once the NoTubes rim patents expire everyone can adopt that, it does work really well with pretty much everything. Until then you've got everyone sitting in their corner thinking it's the other guys fault. The fact that you only have a couple of brands that have both tires and rims made under their name only complicates things further. As does the "Brand" being pretty far removed from the manufacture. We've run into issues were a parts manufacture tries to solve a tooling issue. Basically they think company P's tool fit's too loose so they make their part bigger to compensate. Then they don't fit our tools because we don't allow a mile of clearance between part and tool. They usually admit there's a problem but aren't always inclined to do anything about it. So I feel for Jan, he could make this better but it's likely at the expense of the product he's trying to make. |
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If you are lamenting the fact that so many brands are just that and don't manufacture....sure I get that. But if you are implying that if you go to Taiwan and want frames built or China (sorta) for that matter that you are SOL and they just build what they build, not true. I worked for a small two location shop and the owners have been selling house branded stuff from Asia for decades now. "We" design and spec steel frames and virtually any spec and dimension is an option, and almost overwhelming. Never was involved with carbon but yeah many brands will buy open mold "models" with a tweak or two and brand them. I'm cool with that and even IF is now doing so. It's not all bad. I don't see a huge problem with that as long as you are truly involved with the process. You can go to the Taiwan bike show and in a few days build a full line of bikes and accessories mostly to your liking. I don't think the brush strokes of manufacturing are as broad as your comment implied. QC issues can certainly be an issue and making sure you are getting what you ordered can be a challenge but it doesn't need to be if again, you are involved throughout. Obviously if you can control your own destiny and do everything in-house great, few can. The whole world works this way not just bikes, but you know that. Last edited by charliedid; 12-03-2020 at 03:13 PM. |
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"Rene Herse tires are poorly designed for tubeless use!"
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The more interesting stuff on the podcast was a little deeper into the conversation, FWIW. Yep, consumer products across the board - I think the cycling industry is particularly bad when it comes to transparency about manufacturing, especially given the cost of the products. |
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I'm just happy I live in a non-goat head area. They sound annoying. I will not ride tubeless. I like my teeth firmly in my mouth. I get it, if you live in a goat head area, maybe try a tire with stiffer casings and skip RH. As for the PNW, they sure are mighty fine tires to roll on. |
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The trick is to sell the romance and the lifestyle and forget all the tech/engineering garbage. I sold bikes off and on for years and people who walk into bike shops don't really give a S*&T what tubing is used or why blah blah blah... Last edited by charliedid; 12-03-2020 at 03:17 PM. |
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Full disclosure...I am a subscriber to Bicycle Quarterly, but I am not exactly a member of the all road bike resistance or revolution or what have you largely because there just aren’t that many gravel roads around my home. I really don’t have any interest in tubeless as it just doesn’t make much sense for my type of riding. Actually, the vast majority of my riding is done on tubulars, but I have a few sets of clinchers in the mix, mostly for winter time use. So I guess that it would be a fair conclusion that I don’t have a dog in this particular fight. However, I would like to note a few things about Jan and his work. Our sport and the industry specifically would benefit greatly from about 100 more people just like him. In Jan, what you have is a man who is passionate about cycling and thinks about it almost 24 hours a day. In other words, he is one of us. The difference is that he has put himself in a position to do something about his ideas. Anybody would have to admit that an uncanny number of his ideas are spot on and many of us have benefitted greatly in our riding by learning about them and then implementing them. Obviously not all of them will be applicable to YOUR riding, but most of us will do well to consider many of them. Our sport’s industry used to be dominated by strong personalities with great ideas....Ugo DeRosa, Tullio Campagnolo, Lucien July, Rene Herse, etc. Today so many products have lost any semblance of passion as they seem to be produced by committees under the umbrella of large corporations owned by holding companies. Sterility and blandness has replaced passion and excellence. I applaud Jan’s efforts and we are lucky to have him.
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I dont know where cycling stacks in relation to other consumer products in this, but I'd imagine relative to the cost of the products pretty bad. |
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ahh, benb already said it, post 127..
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Or when the product isnt built the way they designed it and there are 5,000 of them just arrived on the boat from China. And so forth... Everyone loses - consumers, the brand, etc. |
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