OT: sportwagen

[palincss]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

EV or EV/Hybrid SportWagen? No such animal and VW has no plans to make another wagen.

Actually, they still make them in Germany, they just don't sell them in North America. They have wagon ("Variant") versions of the Golf and Passat, a shooting brake version of the Arteon and the ID.7 Tourer listed on https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle.html There's even a Golf R Variant. https://www.volkswagen.de/de/modelle...r-variant.html But, sadly, zero chance of getting one here -- at least, not for another 25 years.

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by .RJ

Are there any wagons left for America? I dont really count the S6 Avant or M5 in this, given the price/performance and there's no way that I would treat it like, well, a family car.

Not really. A Subaru Outback is getting close but much smaller trunk/space behind back seats. The Taos and Tiguan are getting more 'squat' and closer in height to the Golf/Jetta SW but not really.

BMW and Volvo I think do but BIG BUX..

[oldpotatoe]

Originally Posted by .RJ

I've found modern VW/Audi to be very reliable, FWIW.

Introducing a lot of new tech (safety features, screens, etc) plus supply chain problems the past few years has hit pretty much all the car manufacturers with some issues.

Anecdotal only but my 2014 JSW/diesel and my now 2017 GSW, 4 Motion has been VERY reliable...95K...knock on wood..

[martl]

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe

Not really. A Subaru Outback is getting close but much smaller trunk/space behind back seats.

Are you comparing the Outback to the 5 series touring and the A6 Avant?

Volume behind back seats/with back row folded
5 Series 570l / 1700l
A6 Avant 565l/ 1680l
Outback: 560l/1820l

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by martl

Are you comparing the Outback to the 5 series touring and the A6 Avant?

Volume behind back seats/with back row folded
5 Series 570l / 1700l
A6 Avant 565l/ 1680l
Outback: 560l/1820l

And the Alltrack/Golf Wagon crushes all those numbers for a lot less money.

[Likes2ridefar]

Originally Posted by .RJ

And the Alltrack/Golf Wagon crushes all those numbers for a lot less money.

The outback has more cargo capacity, more room inside for passengers, and higher ground clearance. I wish there were more wagon choices…

[thwart]

Originally Posted by .RJ

And the Alltrack/Golf Wagon crushes all those numbers for a lot less money.

This. We’ve traveled with a lot of luggage, food supplies and 2 full size bikes in the back (and still with the load low enough to be able to use the rear view mirror…)

Although my wife’s Prius V can still do slightly better as it’s quite a bit taller.

But even the manual trans hater admits the VW is a better travel car… quieter, better seats, etc. And sometimes even better gas mileage.