Super Record S

[benb]

Do the cranks stay in one piece and retain the chainrings?

I think that's the bar for a groupset to be considered as an alternative to Shimano right now.

I had like my 4th incident this season with Shimano cranks today, this time with the brand new D/A cranks I bought to replace the recalled cranks they said were "OK".

[cgolvin]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

I realize this is purely anecdotal, but fwiw when I lived & rode in New York City I knew at least a dozen other cyclists who had Campy. Been living & riding in Arizona now for 3 or 4 years and I've still only met one other cyclist with Campy here.

:shrugs:

To be fair, I'm pretty sure they were talking about the northeast of England.

Originally Posted by benb

Do the cranks stay in one piece and retain the chainrings?

Ha -- I guess ya gotta pay a premium if you want that added functionality.

[Philster]

I’ve mostly settled on Shimano, but watching those dinks on the video made me want to run out and buy SR.

Maybe I’ll let them know in the comments that (I) Campy/Fulcrum wheels are exceptional, (II) that’s not where you place the lever on a modern handlebar, and (iii) [deleted, not constructive].

[jimoots]

Originally Posted by mcteague

Not Super-Duper Record?

Tim

dont be silly. campagnolo is italian. it'd be called super fantastico record.

[benb]

Originally Posted by Philster

I’ve mostly settled on Shimano, but watching those dinks on the video made me want to run out and buy SR.

Maybe I’ll let them know in the comments that (I) Campy/Fulcrum wheels are exceptional, (II) that’s not where you place the lever on a modern handlebar, and (iii) [deleted, not constructive].

LOL I had that reaction too.

[osbk67]

I started with Campagnolo in 1984 and have used almost nothing else since then. Still do. I’m very fortunate in that I could stretch to Super Record WRL if I chose to. With each passing season racing being potentially my last, and being well back in the field I’ve chosen not to so far.

For as long as giving groupsets to YouTubers and influencers, whatever they are, passes for marketing that’ll remain the case. The only marketing I want to see from Campagnolo is supporting men’s and women’s World Tour teams, on the road at least. It’s about credibility and the refinement and continuous improvement that such exposure brings.

[flying]

Been on Campy since the early 80's chorus & record too & all I have to say is as prices went ever upwards I tried the less expensive groups like Athena, Potenza, Centaur & have to say I often wondered.... why I would need more?

I have actually come to prefer the single shifts of Potenza mainly because of the drooped thumb lever being so comfy while on the hoods or in the drops.

The one downside I would say to their lower priced groups is the crankset.Not that there is anything functionally wrong with them but they do weigh a bit much.

On a Potenza group I have been running since 2019 I changed out the crank which was 809 grams for a H11 cranks which is only 636 grams for a 173 gr savings!

Ok that H11 crank is a sleeper in how it is as light as a Super Record at a fraction of the price

But yes all that aside today if I were buying another Campy "road" group it would be Centaur or Chorus rim of course I have no interest in the bleeding edge wireless, disc stuff

[wooger]

Originally Posted by cgolvin

I'd put that video in the 'meh' bin myself. The most interesting question it prompts for me regards the calculus for Campy and its distributors when it comes to doling out samples for YouTubers to test and review. I think they have 320k subs, which sounds like a decent number but I'd also want to know about their engagement (I hate that term) numbers.

My cursory search indicates that the price difference between SR S and Dura-Ace 12 speed is +/-$200. That doesn't seem to warrant their whingeing about price, but maybe it's different in the UK.

Interesting comment from the mechanic about Campy needing to make things easier for bike shops. OTOH, if the reviewers are correct that "nobody rides Campag in the northeast (?)" then perhaps Campy's smart in ignoring those shops.

Noone is paying close to RRP for any Shimano groupset.

Electronic Shimano groupsets on sale, priced in GBP:
800 - 105 Di2
1300 - Ultegra Di2
2100 - Dura Ace Di2

Super Record S is 3000

Campag is ignoring nearly everyone in every country in Europe with it's lack of store presence, and especially the corresponding pain in finding parts, or anyone knowledgeable on servicing.

1. It's barely possible to find a physical shop in the UK that stocks anything Campy at all.
2. It's next to impossible to get parts like axle adapters for fulcrum / campy wheelsets in a sensible, reliable way, either direct, or from known, reliable online retailers. Their website guidance on what to buy results in multiple part numbers, often out of stock, and costing over 50 euros. Go check the same thing on a manufacturer website like https://www.hopetech.com/ and you'll easily find the tool-free axle adapters available for everything produced in the last 20 years.


The quality is there, but the prices are eye watering, and the service and parts availability is closer to off-brand Aliexpress electronic groupsets than Shimano & SRAM.

[lunardds]

Not sure if it's been said above but the 'S' versions appear to have muted graphics and matte finish. I don't think there is a diff in the actual mechanics.

[zero85ZEN]

Originally Posted by lunardds

Not sure if it's been said above but the 'S' versions appear to have muted graphics and matte finish. I don't think there is a diff in the actual mechanics.

The “S” crankset is not hollow but solid carbon, or so I recall reading someplace.

And are the brake levers alloy instead of carbon? Or maybe a “lower level” of carbon construction?

[cgolvin]

Originally Posted by wooger

Noone is paying close to RRP for any Shimano groupset.

Electronic Shimano groupsets on sale, priced in GBP:
800 - 105 Di2
1300 - Ultegra Di2
2100 - Dura Ace Di2

Super Record S is 3000

Appreciate the local knowledge; to be clear, I never said RRP, I just did a quick (US-based) search for the two groupsets. The lowest price I saw for DA Di2 was more like 2800 USD, but most prices were higher, hence my +/- statement.

[Xrslug]

Originally Posted by zero85ZEN

The “S” crankset is not hollow but solid carbon, or so I recall reading someplace.

And are the brake levers alloy instead of carbon? Or maybe a “lower level” of carbon construction?

Further difference on the crankset — “S” spindle is steel, not titanium as on the “regular” wireless Super Record.

[Gwerziou]

Originally Posted by mcteague

Not Super-Duper Record?

Tim

You beat me to it!

In other news, a return of the thumb shifter? https://www.bikeradar.com/news/campa...shifter-patent

[cash05458]

Originally Posted by fignon's barber

I've been on Campagnolo almost exclusively since 1988. Never really cared for Super Record. To me, it's a bit like the gold plated Colnagos: a bit too much. Always been a Chorus guy, absolutely stopping at Record if I wanted to splurge.

Same here...Chorus always has seemed top to me and been riding campagnolo I guess since mid 80's...seemed a lil tougher to me but that is prolly just in my head...the record stuff I would pick up used (always,) seemed fine...but was always a chorus fan...chorus 9 shifters were incredible, still are actually and have them on 3 of the bikes and just going strong...the whole chorus 9 group set really...no idea to be honest beyond 9 as that has always been the sweet spot...

[vespasianus]

Originally Posted by Gwerziou

You beat me to it!

In other news, a return of the thumb shifter? https://www.bikeradar.com/news/campa...shifter-patent

Kinda - in a weird way. I wish they would just use the EKAR thumb shifter for everything.