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The Large size has a separate side compartment that's for all those small things that you otherwise lose in the bottom of the bag. We also made the inside of the Medium and Large bags yellow, so it's easier to see small things inside. Adding a D-ring for a key is a good idea. We'll see about incorporating that in future updates.
The main plus of these bags is that they're made from waterproof fabric and use waterproof zippers. With most current bags, you get standing water inside even if you just ride through a brief shower. Quote:
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That's interesting data. Perhaps my position on the bike is different, but in roll-down tests next to a rider with known aerodynamics, the bag seems to reduce aero drag. Basically, where the bag-free bike (with me on it) coasts slower than the 'reference bike/rider,' with a bag it's almost even.
But this is certainly something that warrants more testing. Quote:
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Looking at that photo again, I wonder whether the bag loosely dangling from the bars, which creates a narrow gap between bars and bag, is the reason for the aero disadvantage. I'd like to see that test done with the bag cinched up tightly against the bars.
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Not going to win any retro looks categories but what about a vertical cylinder bag that mounts to the head tube... shape it right and you would increase the "chord" of the head tube.
That you could shape for an aero advantage I bet. IIRC some Tri bikes do this? Surely not UCI legal but these bags have nothing to do with that kind of racing. Then get framebuilders to put some kind of mount there so you didn't need straps and you could give people a reason to buy a new bike. This whole thing might only work on a disc bike with internal routing but if you did it right it wouldn't interfere with the handling and could be nifty, if still a little weird looking. The size available would of course depend on the head tube length and room below the bars/stem, but for a long distance bike that didn't need to go for "slammed" there would be useful space. Last edited by benb; 05-15-2024 at 10:02 AM. |
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There are a hundred different handlebar burrito bags out there, and the brand has long made its stake on doing things that others arent doing - whether in aesthetics or function. Is this really anything different? |
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Those burrito bags don't seem to offer on-the-fly accessibility to the contents within them. I don't see the value they offer versus simply using a saddlebag of the same size that is sheltered from the wind.
I do see the value of a front randonneur bag that is attached to a rack. Accessibility is easy and safe so that stuffing a rain jacket into the main compartment, or fetching a molasses cookie to beat back the man with the hammer, can be executed without stopping. I don't think you can do that with a burrito bag. |
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Like so many products we make, these came out of a need. We've tried many of the bags on the market, and we found them all lacking in one way or another. Rather than keep trying to find one that works well, we decided to just make our own. And if we need these bags, we figure our customers might need them, too.
It's a weird thing in today's world that some customers want to identify totally with a brand. If the brand makes a product they don't like or need, they feel almost a sense of betrayal. It would be one thing if that brand you trust made a product that doesn't work well, but that's not the case here. We first encountered this phenomenon when we tested a carbon bike in Bicycle Quarterly and found that it rode and performed very well. That upset a few readers... Rest assured, we aren't going to stop making classic handlebar bags. In fact, we just introduced a new-and-improved version of those, and another is on the way. And we also don't mind if you don't use a bag at all and just carry your things in a cut-down water bottle. I see our program like the menu of a restaurant. We offer lots of dishes. You choose what you want to eat. Quote:
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The carbon fiber bicycle you reference was vastly different from what was available on the market, and also ridden in a way that most cyclists were not familiar with but found themselves excited about after seeing the capability and design possibilities. Regardless; the bag will sell, or not. |
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I prefer a frame pack personally but I'm at a loss to see what the big deal is.
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There is no big deal, this is normal discussion of a new product. Something that happens thousands of times a year on this forum.
Discussion police, grass touchers, and others perplexed by opinion-havers; you are more than welcome to post. However, if you already have thousands of posts, please have the decency not to act confused about discussion, on a discussion forum. |
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You'd get less pushback on this forum if you had an early bird menu, if you know what I mean ...
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It looks to be a clone of something like this - https://almsthre.com/products/handle...40368069312673 Same style zippers, side pocket and waterproof construction. It doesnt really matter to me one way or another, the existence of this bag wont stop me from buying the tires, but it sure is a bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. Maybe its a profitable one for any bike brand these days. It would sure look good on a Moots e-Bike, in an ironic way. |
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I don’t struggle to get food out of these burritos on the fly. I like a tidy tool kit on back and a small burrito in front with my phone, an ultralight shell, food, etc.
they’re particularly nice for folks such as my wife who doesn’t like to wear a jersey except on big rides. She isn’t so concerned on the watts differential. I think Jan’s claim is that it’s more waterproof than other burritos, so that’s the void it’s filling. Water resistant fabric plus a normal zipper can pool water incredibly quickly as my son found trying to outrace a storm. A couple of minutes cost him the phone. I admit I think it’s ugly. As always, spoon robot succeeds where my fail: pushing people who otherwise agree with him due to an abrasive tone. This happens so often and yet is still everyone else’s misunderstanding on tone. This started as a flame which sure seems like a lot of emotional expenditure over a small bag. |
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Dang. Harsh, but fair.
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