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I can only speak from my experience in North Texas. We had a nice series going, maybe 200 total riders, mostly self-sufficient riders who needed no support. Then L*nce opened a shop in the DFW area and started showing up for races. The race field tripled and shops started sending vans for neutral support because many of the riders would just stand on the edge of road if they had a mechanical or flat. It became a race between a few dozen riders and the rest was a century.
The first race with L*nce had a mass start with half the 600 person field trying to get a hole shot on the paved road before the 90 degree turn onto gravel. There was lots of carnage in the corner because there were too many riders trying to squeeze into a narrow road. Imagine 300 riders on P-R trying to squeeze through a gate to a cobbled section. |
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Cycling has had a culture problem for a long long time. Maybe it's to do with Europe or to do with the UCI, I'm not sure, but it feels that historically folks with capacity to do anything were more interested in podium girls than women's fields.
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But what about the rest of the women? It’s not just the 20-odd legit pros, there’s hundreds/thousands of women who just want to race for fun (like most of us). Would they race with the men on day 1? That would be super weird (amateur women racing with pro and am men, pro women racing on a separate day).
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Ironman “pays” its volunteers in guaranteed entry to other events. Not sure if Lifetime does anything like that. |
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Everyone else goes together, in normal mass start. Hypothetically: Day 1 Pro/Elite Women Day 2 Pro/Elite Men - 1hour earlier (1/2 hour, 10 minutes, whatever) from Mass Start Day 2 Mass Start There are 30 Women in the Lifetime Grand Prix - guaranteed a Pro spot. There are around another 15-20 women who could be counted as Professional and probably 10 addition for Elite as a wildcard lower level addition. That is today, growth is possible. UCI Gravel World Championships Women's had a field of 121. This speculation doesn't matter anyway. Do it, iterate, learn what's going to work or not. |
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Once again, men on bicycle internet wants to decide what women want.
Because gravel is such a sad late-capiltalist dead-end fad, a grotesque simulation of real bicycle racing, it’s hard for me to have an opinion about gravel. But someone here keeps saying that the pro women are slower than the pro men, and finish far behind them… Some are suggesting for some reason that pro women should race a shorter race than pro men… Pay more attention to the lame “sport” that is gravel racing, and you will see on the grassroots-enthusiast level decent gender parity compared to legacy disciplines, and regional mass start gravel races regularly have female overall winners, or women’s class winners that are in the top 5 overall. My female friends that get those results are more than happy to kick as many asses as possible, especially ****ty whiny know it all men who think they should be doing a shorter, segregated race. It’s great that riders are trying to advocate for something… but they should be advocating for(and REGISTERING for)their local road races and xc races and cross races instead so women aren’t forced into racing gravel if they want to race against more than 2 people on race day. Let gravel eat itself- real bike racing will benefit. Last edited by mickey.d; 04-24-2024 at 06:26 AM. |
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No, he didn’t.
I didn’t see any responses telling women what they want. Only wonder g how the logistics could work given some of the pro women want a totally separate event (not just a 20 minutes gap after the pro men depart). And I don’t think anybody said anything about distance or money. If women want the same distance, great. And as far as possible, they should get the same pay. |
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I'm a big mickey.d enthusiast, his red hot anger is mainly against Gravel. The gender dynamics are merely a side focus.
He's an elitist about bicycle racing, a sport that has largely rejected such attitudes. If you're the type of person to read his posts and become motivated to go road race or xc or cx you're a ghost going to haunt dead disciplines. Ride the wave or stand on the beach raging that everyone else is having fun, dude. |
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Here I thought this thread was about whether or not we cared about lining up with pros....yet here we are.
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I don't really understand what expenses Ironman has, but I feel like they don't really support their events like one would expect having forked over $500-$1000. At least the participants were nice. Triathletes are used to being overcharged. |
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