Enve has something new coming April 11th

[AngryScientist]

Originally Posted by Baron Blubba

I will speak very generally, not regarding any brand in particular. Like many other folks in these parts, I'm lucky enough to ride/have ridden lots and lots of different bikes. At this point, any modern road (or all-road) bike from a decent brand is going to be fast enough and smooth-riding enough.

I can accomplish the same stuff, within +/-2-3% on my favorite bikes as I can on bikes I really don't like riding (insofar as one can not like riding a bike, but you know what I mean). The difference? Some bikes just feel a lot better to do stuff on than others.

I agree with all of this, but would remove the "modern" qualifier in the 1st paragraph.

I had an "ah-hah" moment many years ago. I am pretty short, and probably had been riding bikes too big for me. When I finally got on a bike that fit me properly, with compact bars that I could comfortably access the drops, contact points in optimal spaces, etc - wow, I realized that riding a drop bar bike is not meant to be uncomfortable, with the proper fit.

After that, everything changed, and IMO, fit on the bike is king. All of the other stuff, aero this, lightweight that, etc are all gravy and do make a difference, but not a game changer like the proper fit turned out to be.

I bet this is a great bike for many riders. It's not for me for a variety of reasons, but i'm not a hater either.

[Baron Blubba]

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

I agree with all of this, but would remove the "modern" qualifier in the 1st paragraph.

I had an "ah-hah" moment many years ago. I am pretty short, and probably had been riding bikes too big for me. When I finally got on a bike that fit me properly, with compact bars that I could comfortably access the drops, contact points in optimal spaces, etc - wow, I realized that riding a drop bar bike is not meant to be uncomfortable, with the proper fit.

After that, everything changed, and IMO, fit on the bike is king. All of the other stuff, aero this, lightweight that, etc are all gravy and do make a difference, but not a game changer like the proper fit turned out to be.

I bet this is a great bike for many riders. It's not for me for a variety of reasons, but i'm not a hater either.

Just want to clarify what I meant. Yes, fit and geometry as it pertains to fit and handling are paramount for most. I also meant that none of the bikes I mentioned feel the same in terms of sensory feedback, the way they translate the road into a tactile feeling. Also, all these bikes move differently underneath you, both seated and standing, even with identical wheels and tires; it's like every bike has a different sized fulcrum that it pivots horizontally upon when the rider pushes it side to side, as well as different weight locations. I'm sure this is down to tube shaping, geometry, bb height, stack, bar length/height, chainstay length, q-factor, and many other factors, some of which are changeable and some of which are permanent features of the bike. But anyway, my point is that no two bikes are the same. I have friends who swear by their Cannondale Super Sixes. I think the last two iterations are some of the most awful riding high end bikes I've ridden. They are similarly fast enough and smooth enough as every other good bike maker's top o the line bike, and I fit on them nicely, but gosh darn, I just don't enjoy the way they move or the feels they impart.

[NHAero]

Originally Posted by Baron Blubba

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I have friends who swear by their Cannondale Super Sixes. I think the last two iterations are some of the most awful riding high end bikes I've ridden. They are similarly fast enough and smooth enough as every other good bike maker's top o the line bike, and I fit on them nicely, but gosh darn, I just don't enjoy the way they move or the feels they impart.

My 2016 Evo Hi-Mod has a HTA of 72.9 degrees and the later ones drop down to 71.2 degrees in the same 54cm size. They increase fork rake to obtain the same trail, but there's more wheel flop. I wouldn’t like them either, and I'm pretty over the moon on the way mine feels.

This is a prime example of if it ain't broke don't fix it.

I like what they're doing with the Flay BTW but I'm sticking with my Bingham.

[morrisond]

Does anyone know who makes the Bento bag on the Fray on the ENVE site?

Scroll down on this page to the picture beside the Caption "Top Tube Mount"

https://enve.com/collections/fray

Thanks

[2metalhips]

Looks like a Tailfin but can't be sure because of the lighting. I have two and they are quite good.

[fatsanta92]

Originally Posted by 2metalhips

Looks like a Tailfin but can't be sure because of the lighting. I have two and they are quite good.

Not a tailfin - doesn't look slanted enough

https://www.tailfin.cc/product/small...v=7516fd43adaa

[2metalhips]

Originally Posted by fatsanta92

Not a tailfin - doesn't look slanted enough

https://www.tailfin.cc/product/small...v=7516fd43adaa

I double checked it against mine and it looks exactly like a Tailfin, .8L. Same shape, zipper design/style and the little zipper closure protector at the top. They have blocked out the logo probably for branding rights.