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The builder in so far as s/he determines the tube shape wall diameter overall size tube placement etc. I am not referring to builder from a weld fabrication standpoint |
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You stated that a builder has a bigger difference and subsequently highlighted how two different bikes, with two different materials, rode differently. With two variables, you can't assume one played a greater role than another. |
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Yeah, the guy has a Bishop and wants a high end custom made XCR bike. Like asking a bunch of people at a monster truck rally that "I am sleeping with this bikini model, what other bikini model can I sleep with."
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How many bikes does Angry have? or Coffee Rider? (I use them as an example cuz they're my size) Just because I have a Bishop doesn't lock me down to never have another bike. Again, I had a tig'd XCr that Carl Strong built me and i loved it. I would go straight to him to build me another, but again, he won't. I've already asked him. Carl is focused on Pursuit and not building metal bikes anymore. I was just curious, about potential builders that the forum might suggest that I hadn't thought of or considered? May or may not happen, but worth a thread me thinks. |
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Definitely worth a thread, ignore the haters
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When XCr or 953 come up, my question is - why that, and not titanium? Is it just the potential for using skinnier tubing? The potential for brazing and/or lugs instead of TIG?
It seems like those are the primary differences - and they are big ones, aesthetically! But it seems like if you're going for an oversized tubing TIG frame - a la the Cinelli XCr - I can't see any reason not to go with Ti instead. It would probably be cheaper, too. |
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XCr is the pinnacle of steel tubes, and I preferred the XCr over Ti bikes that I had. It's a want thing, there's no rational behind the why not Ti debate or other material. I would prefer a custom geo frame over a stock size one but the Cinelli is very nice. |
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The first person I'd contact would be Carl at Metal Guru/Viscious Cycles. He builds frames and sells XCr tubes, so I think he could probably either build you a great bike, or put you in touch with some of the framebuilders he's been selling XCr tubes to.
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Was just trying to make a comment on what PaMtbRider and Fignon said. Sometimes we want something because we want it - even if it is irrational! Nothing wrong with that! And I am probably in that camp! And I would stay away from Cinelli - not a good group. Last edited by vespasianus; 04-10-2024 at 12:00 PM. |
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Abstracted, you would think that for stock geo, both IF and Peg know how to build the best frame they can using the material chosen. It was shocking to me how ordinary the SSR 953 rode, and how much the Respo XcR reflects the general forum comments about the Respo ride. |
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No help whatsoever
Not ‘taking sides’ ,nor a critique of titanium [I have one]but I always remember the comment from Jason Rourke in Robert Penns book ‘it’s about the bike’ where he says if stainless had come along early ‘90’s[in the form we are talking about here] titanium wouldn’t of gained any traction and it would of completely kept steel as a ‘relevant’ option
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