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Fabian is generally regarded as a nice guy, which I think would make it a LOT easier to call in the favors that would keep something secret. The infrastructure and personal loyalty from friends/employees that would be needed to keep such cheating secret would be much easier for him to sustain. I also see no reason for Gaimon to rise to this "challenge." Gaimon has never been the same kind of rider Cancellara is, and you can bet Fabian knows that. So Phil is supposed to suddenly up and fly over to Europe, at his own expense, to race? I doubt Gaimon will go for it, and he shouldn't. Additionally, Gaimon is known for his musing, opinionated style of writing, and that's exactly the way I read his statement about Cancellara. The alleged moto-doping from Spartacus is a well-established topic for discussion in cycling circles and PG is as entitled to talk about it as anyone else. At this point, as Happycampyer says, "I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt (i.e, innocent until proven guilty), but that's not how society—and certainly not society on the internet—works." Sadly true, and it's on Cancellara to provide some exonerating proof at this point. Where are the actual bikes he used in those races? Until he can produce those for inspection, there's a lot of people who are going to believe the worst, and that's just the way it is. BBD
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The battery life is the new normal with iOS11.....i mean iOS11.1....errrr iOS11.1.1.....no wait........iOS11.1.2 |
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The new normal is disproving a negative....
....in so many aspects of public life, not just cycling/sports. I blame Al Gore for inventing the internet. |
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Fabian was already at the tip of the spear when it came to one day and time trial riders in the pro peloton, by doing the very same kinda stuff he did before and after j'accuse le motor. There's a consistency there that is incongruous with what we saw from Pharmstrong. More than happy to eat crow on this, but there's one rather fuzzy data point to try to pin "he had a motor" on Fabian, whereas there was a laundry list of circumstantial evidence against Mellow Johnny. |
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I have zero evidence that he ever doped and frankly I don't care, but if he rode clean he did so among a virtual murder's row of the biggest doping teams in the last 30yrs. FC doesn't seem like the Armstrong archetype (win at any costs, i.e., motor in every race), but I could see him using something because he expected Boonen to have one and was caught up in the arms race. Not that it matters or makes it right, but if he really did use something I'd expect there to be more examples in his career. More than likely he just had an extra few watts when Boonen didn't, whether doped or otherwise. |
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You may not be familiar with why inspecting the bike is an exercise in futility.
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To be honest, I really don't care all that much, but to just sit there and hear people say that there's absolutely no way that Fabs was using a motor? I'm not that presumptuous to say that absolutely. |
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I don’t know if he had a motor or not....
But I’m sorry - do I read this correctly that because someone has made the unsubstantiated charge that FB had a motor in his bike in 2010, that it’s up to FB to disprove that 7 years later? Guilty till proven innocent?
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I honestly don't care either. but to me anyone claiming either way "with certainty" is just silly. there will likely never be evidence either way. until him or a wrench comes forward and admits otherwise, all we can do is presume innocence; with suspicion, if you're so inclined.
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Just saw it on re-run two days ago - classic episode with George being hangry before we had the word - bonus was James Spader showing up for a bit - same acting style he’s got in the Blacklist..
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I agree with the part about certainty. It is all about likelihood. What is the likelihood that he had a motor in his bike? I think only a few people are betting their life on the fact he had a motor. I disagree with presuming innocence. That may be your presumption going in, before encountering any facts. (Someone else, based on the history of doping in cycling could just as easily start with a presumption that he cheated). After we see the evidence, weigh it, think about it, we (hopefully) arrive at a reasoned decision of what we believe. Hopefully we are cognitively flexible enough to go in to a situation believing one thing, parse the new evidence and then change our minds if the evidence no longer supports our initial belief. If one's conclusion is determined 100% by their presumption, what role does the evidence have?
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This is the best thing that has happened to Phil's so called "Pro" Career, retirement or whatever it is..
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suspicion list from 2010
This is relevant. But of course (ha!) some will see it as evidence of motor doping...I suspect most people were and are doped, to some degree.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ucis...our-de-france/ Fab-o had a score of zero. Menchov was on the other end. But I don't think this dude would ride with a motor... I think that's one step too far. The everyone's doping argument can help them to rationalize drugging themselves, but a motor for a professional athlete? I don't think the ego would let them cross that line... |
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