Rivendell saved for now...

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I know absolutely nothing about Rivendale. Not from that era.
The only point that I will make is that I have ridden stiff (read: uncomfortable for more that 2 hrs) carbon frames and very comfortable (read: day long comfort) carbon frames.

To paint all carbon frames in one stroke is to not give credit to leaps in carbon design that has happened over the years.

Originally Posted by sjbraun

"Did you ride the roadeo and compared w/ your friends Canyon? If you did and found all the claims wrong then you are right otherwise it sounds like bias. I am just using common sense. Nothing personal'

No offense taken. I own modern bikes made of steel (Hampsten Strada Bianca,) and carbon, (Hampsten Maglia Rosa.) The carbon rides just as comfortably as the steel frame. Of course many carbon frames are stiff and ride uncomfortably, but that isn't always the case.
Speaking bias, the point I was trying to make is GP's claims are riddled with bias. I don't think espousing his biases (and denigrating the bikes his potential customers already own,) is an effective way to market his bikes.