Does Michelin still make the Pro4 Endurance?

[rothwem]

The Pro4 Endurance is probably the best clincher I’ve ever used. Yeah, Vittoria Pave’s ride a bit better, but nothing beats the combination of long wear, grip, flat protection, while still providing a pretty decent ride and low rolling resistance. They were all I used up until a few years ago, and I just had to toss my last pair because they were getting scary looking age cracks.

I’d like to buy another set, and they seem to pop online all the time. What I don’t want are dry rotted tires. Is there a way to see when tires are made? Car tires have a date code but I’ve never looked for one on bike tires. Is the 5 year expiration date for car tires somewhat relevant to bike tires? Lastly, with all of these tires I see on the internet, is Michelin still making Pro4 Endurance tires?

[mass_biker]

I think (at least at last peek) LordGun had them in stock from 23 to 28c.
Agree with you on these tires. The 28c that I am running plumps out to 30c and change on HED+ rims.
I also appreciate how easy these are to put on (relatively speaking vs. Contis). And while it took me a little while (at least visually) to slicks, I find that their wet weather chops are terrific.

[rothwem]

Originally Posted by mass_biker

I think (at least at last peek) LordGun had them in stock from 23 to 28c.
Agree with you on these tires. The 28c that I am running plumps out to 30c and change on HED+ rims.
I also appreciate how easy these are to put on (relatively speaking vs. Contis). And while it took me a little while (at least visually) to slicks, I find that their wet weather chops are terrific.

Yeah, I’ve seen those. I’m sortof worried about buying tires that have been out of production for 5-6 years though, which is why I made this thread. They’ve got them at BikeInn too for like $30/tire.

Originally Posted by AngryScientist

Re: Vittoria

They discontinued the Pave's years ago. The Corsa Control replaced the pave, and recently the "Pro" version. They are in very way better than the former Pave.

Give them a try, I can almost guarantee you will like them better.

Yeah, I’ve got Control G2.0’s right now, they’re pretty good. Not as silky as the Pave’s, and I’ve got a good flat spot going right now on the rear after ~1000 miles. I probably have another 500 miles at least but I remember the Pro4 Endurance tires would just be getting broken in after 1000 miles!

Ah well. I do wonder if I’m ruined from riding Vittorias. I remember when I first swapped the Pro4 Endurance tires on back in the day, I was blown away at how fast they rolled for an endurance tire—they weren’t THAT much slower than my “race tires” which were just the normal version of the Pro3. However, a lot of time has passed and yeah, I might notice now.

[Spaghetti Legs]

I’m on the road now but I have a pair of these at home, one very little used and one unused. I forget size but prob 23 or 25. Drop me a line and I’ll get you a deal.

In general though I don’t worry about riding tires that have been stored a long time. I’m a Veloflex guy and my shelf is full of tires bought on sale several years ago.

[Dave]

https://www.michelinman.com/bicycle/road

A quick Google search brought up the Michelin website. They often change the names attached to various tires, which can be confusing. Times change too and users are moving on to disc brake bikes with wider rims and wider tires.

I used Michelin tires for a long time, but their early tubeless models suffered from bead stretch before the tread wore out. I've used nothing but Pirelli P-Zero TLR tires for several years. Just don't buy a TLR tire and use it with tubes. You may never get it back off. I have modern 25mm internal width hookless rims and use 30-35mm tubeless tires now, with 50-55 psi pressure, as recommended by the Zipp pressure calculator.<

[RoosterCogset]

And another link, since product availability can regionally vary worldwide

https://www.michelin.fr/bicycle/tyre...pro4-endurance

[AngryScientist]

Re: Vittoria

They discontinued the Pave's years ago. The Corsa Control replaced the pave, and recently the "Pro" version. They are in very way better than the former Pave.

Give them a try, I can almost guarantee you will like them better.

[IJWS]

I have been using 28mm Power Cup's for about a thousand miles and I really like them. They compare favorably to Pirelli P-Zero's and Specialized Turbo Cottons.

[eddief]

https://www.lordgun.com/continental-...QaAseaEALw_wcB

[54ny77]

wow didn't know they made these.

i just got a flat using gatorskins this past weekend. sucked, but i imagine if whatever caused that flat would've been immediate in any other tire too.

Originally Posted by eddief

https://www.lordgun.com/continental-...QaAseaEALw_wcB

[rothwem]

Originally Posted by eddief

https://www.lordgun.com/continental-...QaAseaEALw_wcB

Holy wow that's a good price. I'm guessing these are pretty durable, given the "all season" label?

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by rothwem

Holy wow that's a good price. I'm guessing these are pretty durable, given the "all season" label?

the old version of the all season were very durable, i used to use those or paves in the winter.

those are tubeless ready, i wouldnt use those unless you have tubeless rims, even running tubes, or else they'll likely be a bear to mount.

[54ny77]

BUMMER on the TR thing.

I have had two no fun experiences with "TR ready" tires on bikes, and I'm done with that.

Originally Posted by .RJ

the old version of the all season were very durable, i used to use those or paves in the winter.

those are tubeless ready, i wouldnt use those unless you have tubeless rims, even running tubes, or else they'll likely be a bear to mount.

[.RJ]

Originally Posted by 54ny77

BUMMER on the TR thing.

As long as the rims are 'modern' (20+mm ID, dropped center channel) the mounting is no problem. And even with tubes, tubeless tape is so much better than the old rim strips.

[54ny77]

the issue wasn't mounting (i've honestly never had a problem with mounting tires of any brand, and yeah some are a little more finicky than others). the main issue is max psi on tr ready tires is a good 20lb lower than what i prefer to run.

Originally Posted by .RJ

As long as the rims are 'modern' (20+mm ID, dropped center channel) the mounting is no problem. And even with tubes, tubeless tape is so much better than the old rim strips.