Changes coming to Strava

[Alistair]

Originally Posted by Philster

Maybe Strava woke up to the potential for privacy leaks from these other apps. Maybe they see the potential for profit leaks also ...

My vote is for the latter. Strava was a convenient way for another service to skip direct integrations with device services. Just build the integration with Strava and save money. I'm surprised the APIs remained open as long as they have.

TrainerRoad is/was a good example - they don't have direct integration to pull data from Wahoo's ecosystem - instead relying on Strava to middle-man those rides back to TR. By the new Strava ToS, they'll need to stop that and build their own integration to Wahoo...

https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/e...to-trainerroad

[glepore]

I don't disagree with their decision. They had become a free data transfer service. l synch all of my data to Dropbox so that I don't need to rely on Strava for synch to Golden Cheetah etc.
The bigger issue is ML and the data. Companies like TR that use ML to create training platform and virtual FTP estimation had huge amounts of data available thru Strava. Now, TR may be responsible with it an not use it to train ML in violation of existing prohibitions, but not everyone is.

[fourflys]

Originally Posted by Alistair

By the new Strava ToS, they'll need to stop that and build their own integration to Wahoo...

or start paying Strava? The video didn't get into that, but I assume Strava has at least considered letting platforms like TR enter into a contract with them to use their data.. I'm guessing I signed away my right to my data I give to Strava in some user agreement somewhere..

[unterhausen]

Originally Posted by glepore

Companies like TR that use ML to create training platform and virtual FTP estimation had huge amounts of data available thru Strava. Now, TR may be responsible with it an not use it to train ML in violation of existing prohibitions, but not everyone is.

I feel sorry for trainerroad right now because making it so they avoid running their ml on just strava data sounds like a pain.

TR has my data from strava because I authorized TR to get it. It's my data. I want tr to analyze it. AFAIK, all the data that TR ever got from Strava was from a TR user's account. Strava just thinks they can get money from TR users by withholding it from TR. In my case, they are quite mistaken.

At this point, Strava doesn't even have the capability to do what other platforms are doing with the data. Just cutting off the stream isn't magically going to give them that capability, so they are just screwing their users. Pretty typical for them.

There are issues that strava users have been complaining about for years that the company doesn't address. Now they are going into an area where they have no expertise and nobody is going to trust their results. This is a serious endeavor, they aren't going to get it right immediately, if they are even trying right now. It's demonstrating an incredible level of hubris to think they can replicate overnight what other companies have been working on for years.

I'm not really upset, but sometimes I wish Strava would just go away. Like I said in a previous comment, the only thing that's this is going to affect for me is my zwift workouts being transferred to TR. I like that TR tracks my training stress. They've been doing that with data they got from Strava for years, but it looks like now it's a TOS violation.

[glepore]

Originally Posted by unterhausen

I feel sorry for trainerroad right now because making it so they avoid running their ml on just strava data sounds like a pain.

TR has my data from strava because I authorized TR to get it. It's my data. I want tr to analyze it. AFAIK, all the data that TR ever got from Strava was from a TR user's account. Strava just thinks they can get money from TR users by withholding it from TR. In my case, they are quite mistaken.

A quote from a clairification message strava sent out'"Our previous terms already disallowed the use of Strava user data in model training and development but we’ve made this more explicit in light of the increasing activity in this space. ".

It may be that TR has honored this. I agree that the data that you uploaded to TR is yours, and that you're knowledgeable about how TR uses it, and faik TR is completely responsible. Who knows about other players in the market.

I'm not in the garmin universe so idk how their transfer works. But wahoo allows you to synch just about any service (RWGPS, Training Peaks, Dropbox) so you could import to TR from somewhere other than Strava.

[Likes2ridefar]

Never considered a file drop location for syncing. Would it work to a NAS on my home network?

[benb]

Originally Posted by marciero

Sometimes you dont need a shotgun to kill a flea. For some riders who have a few years worth of data - ride and race data, biometric and health data, coaching feedback in the form of simple metrics, even diet and sleep- it would be hard to beat conventional modeling approaches. By conventional I would include a lot of "traditional" machine learning approaches, many of which have been around for decades (or even hundreds of years in one case). I agree that for full blown AI to work would require a huge amount of rider data, ideally including personal data, I would think. Maybe some public data can be a proxy for some of the private data but thats going to be a challenge. But I think we are a long way from being able to have a chat gpt type back and forth on a Sunday to decide what your training regime for the week will be.

I basically agree with you.

My gut feeling is Strava doesn't really have the resources to build something like that.

The current "AI/LLM describe my ride" feature is really low hanging fruit that a couple of people could have built in a week.

A lot of the games they are playing that annoy customers seem to be a result of their business model not exactly bringing in massive money for a tech company.