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Hi Ryan,
I moved your thread to the general discussion area, you will get more views and discussion here.
It's an interesting and good question. i echo what matt said above that used steel or even titanium is an excellent value, and you get a lot more for your money often on a nicer bike that is going to last forever anyway.
as for brand new, if you need some tire clearance, the all-city mentioned is an excellent frame, and the other option that i think is A+ is the Ritchey Road logic. excellent richey logic steel frame.
good luck on your hunt!
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