Hey folks -- sorry, been crazy busy and I've been away from the thread.
Rapha had (apparently) discontinued the 3/4, but when I was in the clubhouse recently one of the employees told me they had relaunched classics 3/4. I picked up a set and on one of our clubhouse rides I'd say at least 3 other riders (I'm a ride leader locally) were very interested in them. Link:
https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/c...uct/BSL02XXBLK
Note: they are a little shorter than others coming in just below the knee (see below) and for me, very warm. They need to be pulled into position, but once in-place they're all-day great. I went XL because the length of the large was too short, and waist-wise I'm right on the line between L and XL. I'd be fine with these at pretty much anything above freezing, but I grew up playing ball hockey outside at -10, so...
And I do love the Cafe du Cycliste product. Longer than the Rapha product above (these for me fall mid-calf), and lighter. The fleece lining is less thick, and the bottom colored panels below the knee are unlined. For me, extremely comfortable in the 40-60 degree range. I wear a large.
https://www.cafeducycliste.com/en_us...enne-navy.html
For reference: I'm 6'3, 215.