spoonrobot |
03-05-2024 02:05 PM |
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Originally Posted by C40_guy
(Post 3359348)
With an estimated 65,000+ ebikes in NYC, 22 deaths are statistically insignificant. (Of course, for those involved, it's a tragedy.) If the number of deaths doubled from 11 to 22 it's still meaningless statistically. As in, you cannot make any meaningful statements about what happened.
If each of those ebikes is ridden once a week, you're talking about more than 3 million trips. That's a lot of traffic and hazard exposure.
I'd be looking at the faster ebikes that youngsters are riding like motorcycles, but on sidewalks, without helmets or any safety training.
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Well, it's called "Vision Zero" not "Vision Statistically Significant"
Of course you can make meaningful statements about what happened, the deaths doubled - 11 was too many and 22 is at least twice as too many. It is immediately possible to draw conclusions, create models, and start advocacy for reducing the number of deaths.
We have a nice marker for what is "statistically significant" in the bike industry from a recent events - More than a million Shimano cranksets were recalled after a very small percentage broke and (at least) 6 people were injured. Even if you 10x or 100x the injury rate, it's still a relatively insignificant value.
Cannondale recalled 10,000+ forks because a handful broke and 1 person died.
The fatal crash rate for motor vehicles in the US state of Georgia is ~1800 out of 7.8 million drivers - about a 2/3s the rate of ebike fatal crash rate of 22/65000.
More generally, Takata airbags are under broad recall - how many people have died? How many Takata airbags are in use around the world? Significant or not?
Children killed by overpowered airbags is another case study, one most of us lived through: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/18/u...re-blamed.html
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The safety board, completing a two-year study, also said a survey found that more than half of children in automobiles are carried in the wrong seats or in children's seats that are improperly installed, or are not wearing any restraints.
Twenty-one children have been killed by passenger-side air bags, the board said, including 12 so far this year, compared with 1 in all of 1993.
Until recently, air bags other than those for the driver were relatively rare, but their numbers are rising rapidly, the board said, to about 22 million by the end of this year, and by an estimated 13 million a year thereafter.
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Society, generally does not care about the product of a small number divided by a big number - but does care about the absolute value of the small number relative to their perception of those affected.
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