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Heisenberg 02-11-2019 09:24 AM

pegorichie dreams
 
what kind of sorcery is this?

rides like a dream. so springy, so jumpy, so suave. feels like a natural extension of my legs.

i am smitten. anyone else in the same boat? why have i not ridden these tubes before?!

https://i.imgur.com/4erGez4.jpg

El Chaba 02-11-2019 09:34 AM

For all of the advancements in frame materials, to me a nicely built bike of light steel tubing still *feels* the best to me...(nice looking bike, BTW)

Tickdoc 02-11-2019 09:50 AM

Steel is real. nice bike. Whats that on the top tube?

Mzilliox 02-11-2019 10:02 AM

i pretty sure they make up a part of the Goodrich i roll. And if that is the case, yes, magic. and your bike is rad, i saw a scarab recently on a festka post with Melody Farms...

Nooch 02-11-2019 10:19 AM

Huh. My instagram world and my paceline world collide..

ergott 02-11-2019 10:29 AM

My Zank is Pegorichie, one of the first. The ride and handling are incredible.

I've updated the drivetrain over the years.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Cycling/T..._194632-X2.jpg

AngryScientist 02-11-2019 10:30 AM

pretty sure my steel zank is pegorichie also. it is indeed a nice riding bike.

DCilliams 02-11-2019 10:37 AM

Help a brotha: what does Pegorichie mean? I've got a hunch but need the facts

ergott 02-11-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DCilliams (Post 2499208)
Help a brotha: what does Pegorichie mean? I've got a hunch but need the facts

Tubeset they (Sachs and Pegoretti) specced that was designed for the lugs they use (or something like that). They make them available to other builders too.

saab2000 02-11-2019 10:48 AM

I think my steel Zanconato is also PegoRichie tubes and yeah, it's a pretty nice bike too. Here pictured with some Ergott-built wheels, which have been extremely nice as well and fit this bike perfectly.

Crappy picture, but you get the idea.

Like Eric's, mine has evolved over the years on the build as well. Not flashy, but this 105 stuff is hard to beat for performance and value.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1906/4...f6e8b34e_c.jpg

srcarter 02-11-2019 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DCilliams (Post 2499208)
Help a brotha: what does Pegorichie mean? I've got a hunch but need the facts


From the Richard Sachs site:

"As professional cycle racing came to be dominated by carbon-fibre, a new wave of craftsmen framebuilders appeared on the scene. Those wishing to work with steel tubes and lugs found that building frames to modern performance standards was difficult, largely due to lack of suitable materials and tube profiles. Doyens of this band of constructeurs, Dario Pegoretti and Richard Sachs, worked with Colombus to develop what became known as PegoRichie tubing – Spirit (Columbus’ premier ferrous tubeset) for lugs. Oversize round tubes and long butt profiles made PegoRichie a favourite of craftsmen builders worldwide. Now, with oversize profiles in ultra-high tensile materials – Spirit and XCR – steel can compete with any other frame material – aluminium, titanium, carbon-fibre." http://richardsachscyclocross.com/sp.../columbus.html

Lionel 02-11-2019 11:54 AM

Yeah, my pegorichie sachs was the best steel bike I ever had. So smooth.

tsarpepe 02-11-2019 12:25 PM

It's Columbus Spirit with different profiles and dimensions.

doubleklobbs 02-11-2019 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickdoc (Post 2499182)
Steel is real. nice bike. Whats that on the top tube?

It's a graphic for the brand:

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat.../_DSC0401_.jpg

Bentley 02-11-2019 01:15 PM

Brand
 
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Originally Posted by doubleklobbs (Post 2499284)

I googled Scarab, no luck, are they still in business? Cool looking bike

fa63 02-11-2019 01:19 PM

I had a Zanconato with Pegorichie tubing a few years back; most of my PRs were set on that bike. Granted I was also a bit fitter back then, but nonetheless that bike rocked.

bart998 02-11-2019 01:26 PM

Re:
 
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Originally Posted by Bentley (Post 2499300)
I googled Scarab, no luck, are they still in business? Cool looking bike


Looks like they are in Colombia... nice looking bikes. https://scarabcycles.com/

Pegoready 02-11-2019 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tsarpepe (Post 2499269)
It's Columbus Spirit with different profiles and dimensions.

So what you are saying is it's not Columbus Spirit :D

Heisenberg 02-11-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bart998 (Post 2499304)
Looks like they are in Columbia... nice looking bikes. https://scarabcycles.com/

ColOmbia!

It’s a new builder, based outside of Medellin.

Lionel 02-11-2019 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pegoready (Post 2499323)
So what you are saying is it's not Columbus Spirit :D

It is also called spirit for lugs IIRC

colker 02-11-2019 02:10 PM

A Colombian custom bike company?? That´s freakking cool.
I am in south america and usually commute through Bogota´s airport. My experience w/ colombians is wonderfull.
They are deep into cycling w/ legendary climbers. Girls and boys ride the mountains all the time on beautifull gear.

Tickdoc 02-11-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by doubleklobbs (Post 2499284)

Thank you, cool detail.

Thread should be renamed pegorichie reality.

LouDeeter 02-11-2019 02:28 PM

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http://2012.handmadebicycleshow.com/...-man-of-steel/

I've got a frame made with the PegoRichie Uber OS tubes and special lugs, with the matching fork with flat fork crown. Very nice. Above is a link that tells about the set.

Kirk007 02-11-2019 03:10 PM

Yes my pegorichie Sachs is a very noticeable difference from my Peg Marcelo, and your description is spot on with my perception.

simonov 02-11-2019 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 2499324)
ColOmbia!

It’s a new builder, based outside of Medellin.

New builder with some experience with an old builder. My riding buddy has one. It's a beautiful bike (both yours and his).

And, yes, Pegorichie tubes are awesome. I have two steel bikes with them and they're both keepers.

nicrump 02-11-2019 05:28 PM

wrong window, sorry

jm714 02-11-2019 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by simonov (Post 2499392)
New builder with some experience with an old builder. My riding buddy has one. It's a beautiful bike (both yours and his).

And, yes, Pegorichie tubes are awesome. I have two steel bikes with them and they're both keepers.

Did they work for Tinno Cycles down there? I had been following them and their website went dead, they made some cool bikes and their prices were more than fair.

muz 02-11-2019 05:57 PM

Maybe this is heresy, but I don't think you can feel any difference between high end steel tube sets. I say high end, because you need that tensile strength with lightweight tubing. So, Reynolds 853 or 953, Dedacciai Zero, Columbus Spirit etc will all behave the same. The builder can make some difference in how they select gauges, angles, butt lengths, etc.

Mzilliox 02-11-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by muz (Post 2499448)
Maybe this is heresy, but I don't think you can feel any difference between high end steel tube sets. I say high end, because you need that tensile strength with lightweight tubing. So, Reynolds 853 or 953, Dedacciai Zero, Columbus Spirit etc will all behave the same. The builder can make some difference in how they select gauges, angles, butt lengths, etc.

im not sure i understand this. each high end tube set is a bit different right? I have a bike built of high end skinny tubes, and one built of high end oversized tubes and one built with high end normal tubes, and had one built with mini max tubes and each one is entirely different in feel. and yes, i could most certainly ride them blindfold and tell you which is which. i know exactly how my goodrich feels on the driveway every day vs other bikes. when you have 3/4 miles of chunky gravel at the start and end of every ride, you learn fast what forks give, what tires kush, how carbon bars change feel, how a good fork sucks up bumps, and what steel feels like compared to steel, carbon, ti and alu.

muz 02-11-2019 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mzilliox (Post 2499454)
im not sure i understand this. each high end tube set is a bit different right? I have a bike built of high end skinny tubes, and one built of high end oversized tubes and one built with high end normal tubes, and had one built with mini max tubes and each one is entirely different in feel. and yes, i could most certainly ride them blindfold and tell you which is which. i know exactly how my goodrich feels on the driveway every day vs other bikes. when you have 3/4 miles of chunky gravel at the start and end of every ride, you learn fast what forks give, what tires kush, how carbon bars change feel, how a good fork sucks up bumps, and what steel feels like compared to steel, carbon, ti and alu.

My point is: this is like saying "Reynolds 531 rocks" or "Columbus sucks". Yes, many nice bikes were built with 531, and many unremarkable ones as well.

Venerable bikes like Masi GC and Cinelli Supercorsa used both 531 and Columbus on different frames. I just don't think one brand of tube set is superior to another.

Kirk007 02-11-2019 06:43 PM

Superior is a misleading way of looking at it I think.

One particular tubeset may be better suited for a particular purpose than another. Many steel builders would use a different tubeset for a 230 pound rider than a 160 pound rider, so in that example, one tubeset may well be 'superior." I have a Kirk cross bike that Dave built for himself and used a specially spec'd set of chainstays. Builders often mix tubes from different sets. Look at the Merckx MXL bikes - they're not 100% MAX tubing. Apparently the custom builders think that particular tubes of particular tubesets or entire sets are superior to others when they are building bikes.

And indeed in this case you have Mr. Pegoretti and Mr. Sachs going to Columbus and saying, hey, we need a better lightweight tubeset for lugged frame construction and this was the result. Followed by Uber PegoRichie tubes for larger frames/riders purposes.



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Originally Posted by muz (Post 2499462)
My point is: this is like saying "Reynolds 531 rocks" or "Columbus sucks". Yes, many nice bikes were built with 531, and many unremarkable ones as well.

Venerable bikes like Masi GC and Cinelli Supercorsa used both 531 and Columbus on different frames. I just don't think one brand of tube set is superior to another.


tsarpepe 02-11-2019 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muz (Post 2499448)
Maybe this is heresy, but I don't think you can feel any difference between high end steel tube sets. I say high end, because you need that tensile strength with lightweight tubing. So, Reynolds 853 or 953, Dedacciai Zero, Columbus Spirit etc will all behave the same. The builder can make some difference in how they select gauges, angles, butt lengths, etc.

It feels like we're going over this at least once a month, in this or that discussion thread. It is difficult to isolate the effect of the steel only from all other factors involved in a bike's performance (geometry/design above all). There was a blind test in a major cycling magazine many years ago, in which Thron was preferred to higher spec-ed steel by expert riders:

http://www.habcycles.com/m7.html

LouDeeter 02-11-2019 09:16 PM

The way I set up my bikes is much more important than the steel in the tubes. I do like to know that I'm riding a bike with top end equipment, be it the tubes, the build, or the parts. But, in the end, it is whether I'm comfortable in the long haul that is important and that has come from many decades of experimentation for my specific set up markers.

Bob Ross 02-12-2019 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lionel (Post 2499258)
Yeah, my pegorichie sachs was the best steel bike I ever had. So smooth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fa63 (Post 2499302)
I had a Zanconato with Pegorichie tubing a few years back; most of my PRs were set on that bike.


Why did you guys ever get rid of them?!?! :)

Pretty sure this bike will be in my will:

https://i.postimg.cc/pdG6VX6s/Pier-i...psztgb5ugx.jpg

ergott 02-12-2019 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Ross (Post 2499606)
Why did you guys ever get rid of them?!?! :)

Same here. I don't understand going through the custom process and getting such a great bike only to move on a couple years later. Doesn't even make any financial sense as used custom bikes take a huge hit compared to new price. My Zank and my Ottrott are the two bikes that will stay with me no matter what.

Lionel 02-12-2019 09:24 AM

I kept my Sachs 8 or 9 years I think. It was not ridden any more. I can't stand having bikes that are not ridden, in particular great bikes.

saab2000 02-12-2019 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lionel (Post 2499647)
I kept my Sachs 8 or 9 years I think. It was not ridden any more. I can't stand having bikes that are not ridden, in particular great bikes.

I'm hoping to get back to riding my steel Zanconato much more in 2019. I did a few rides on it last year after the component swap and wheel swap and I was reminded about how nice it really is. The fit and handing are just about perfect. And I agree about the non-ridden bikes. I'm currently in a huge downsizing push and unridden, unused equipment and bikes are leaving my house quickly.

fa63 02-12-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Ross (Post 2499606)
Why did you guys ever get rid of them?!?! :)

Mine wasn't custom-built for me in the first place. Nonetheless, I sold it to fund another project, which on hindsight wasn't the best move.

I am now riding a stainless steel frame with Columbus XCR tubing; it feels very similar to the Zank with PegoRitchie tubing.

adampaiva 02-12-2019 03:28 PM

My Rick Jones is Pegorichie tubing. Even coming from a skinny tubed thinwall planing-ophile, I think it has a fantastic ride quality.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7867/...a00be923_c.jpg

Tim Porter 02-12-2019 04:37 PM

It's the pegorichie-est:

[IMG]http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/...psypuqvf4c.jpg[/IMG]


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