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roguedog 02-06-2019 09:30 AM

New Sram Red eTap AXS group
 
Just read (red?) this article on Peloton.

Who's getting in on this?

12 Speed
Fluid r. der
Faster shifting
New hub body required
Wider range of gear inches

Is it just me or is pricing... OY? :eek: :eek:

Also, what if I don't want the power meter and just want regular crank for 2x? I kept looking for the pricing option but didn't see it.

Pricing and Weights
RED eTap AXS
2x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake w/ Power: $4158
2x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake w/ Power: $3648
2x Rim Brake w/ Power: $3998
2x Rim Brake: $3488
1x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake x/Power: $3708
1x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake: $3198
Includes: Rear Derailleur, Front Derailleur (if applicable), Controls, Brake Calipers, Rotors (if applicable)
Crankset/power meter, Bottom Bracket, Cassette, Chain, Battery(s), and Charger.
RED Disc: 2x 2518grams +36grams with Power.
RED Rim: 2x 2254grams +36grams with Power.

X01 Eagle AXS $1900
XX1 Eagle AXS $2000
Includes: Cranks (w/ Chainring), Derailleur (w/ battery), Controller (w/ clamp), Cassette,
Chain, Charger/Cord, Chain Gap Tool.



Note that I haven't tried the current eTap and have mainly Campy rim brake groups on my bikes and 1 Shimano canti group. Haven't jumped on any of electronic groupsets though you all have me tempted but my sense of simplicity and my reluctance to open my wallet have kept me back.

oldpotatoe 02-06-2019 09:41 AM

2by disc w/o power?
2by rim w/o power? :eek:

Pretty obvious what they want to sell.

sparky33 02-06-2019 09:45 AM

It's about time!

1x needed eTap, though I kind of scratch my head on the limited cassette options.
The most gentle range 12s 10-33 has about the same range as an 11s 11-36, but with tighter spacing... hopefully having a much needed 11T for 10,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,22,25,28,33

I would really like to see a 12s 10-36 or 10-40...something that sits between this 10-33 road cassette and the 10-50 Eagle. ...because 1x gravel gearing is a thing now, right?

For this^ and a few other rea$ons, I'll be sticking with ye olde cable actuated 11s Force1.

Nooch 02-06-2019 09:47 AM

I'd be curious if the Force AXS eTap might be 11-spd and essentially a re-branded original etap group, but with the axs stuff (and maybe the funkier rear derailleur)

Clean39T 02-06-2019 09:48 AM

Pretty good review at Above Cat: https://abovecategorycycling.com/blo...-red-axs-group

I like the look of the chainrings.

Still waiting for wireless EPS hydro...

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EDS 02-06-2019 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roguedog (Post 2496747)
Just read (red?) this article on Peloton.

Who's getting in on this?

12 Speed
Fluid r. der
Faster shifting
New hub body required
Wider range of gear inches

Is it just me or is pricing... OY? :eek: :eek:

Also, what if I don't want the power meter and just want regular crank for 2x? I kept looking for the pricing option but didn't see it.

Pricing and Weights
RED eTap AXS
2x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake w/ Power: $4158
2x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake w/ Power: $3648
2x Rim Brake w/ Power: $3998
2x Rim Brake: $3488
1x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake x/Power: $3708
1x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake: $3198
Includes: Rear Derailleur, Front Derailleur (if applicable), Controls, Brake Calipers, Rotors (if applicable)
Crankset/power meter, Bottom Bracket, Cassette, Chain, Battery(s), and Charger.
RED Disc: 2x 2518grams +36grams with Power.
RED Rim: 2x 2254grams +36grams with Power.

X01 Eagle AXS $1900
XX1 Eagle AXS $2000
Includes: Cranks (w/ Chainring), Derailleur (w/ battery), Controller (w/ clamp), Cassette,
Chain, Charger/Cord, Chain Gap Tool.



Note that I haven't tried the current eTap and have mainly Campy rim brake groups on my bikes and 1 Shimano canti group. Haven't jumped on any of electronic groupsets though you all have me tempted but my sense of simplicity and my reluctance to open my wallet have kept me back.

Seems to be some typos in the article from Peloton. The second item ("2x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake w/ Power: $3648") presumably is meant to be without power, which would explain the $500 delta with the first identically described item ("2x Hydraulic Road Disc Brake w/ Power: $4158").

Maybe not though.

GregL 02-06-2019 10:05 AM

I didn't see any details about the hubs. Are they through axle only, or is a quick release version available for rim brake wheels? Is the rear spacing 135 or is there a 130 option available? Basically asking if new 12-speed SRAM can be retrofitted to older bikes, or does the new group require a new frame.

Greg

jtbadge 02-06-2019 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregL (Post 2496782)
I didn't see any details about the hubs. Are they through axle only, or is a quick release version available for rim brake wheels? Is the rear spacing 135 or is there a 130 option available? Basically asking if new 12-speed SRAM can be retrofitted to older bikes, or does the new group require a new frame.

Greg

Many (all?) rim-brake Zipp wheels are now listed as "XDR compatible," but I haven't seen any other hub/wheel manufacturers show off their XDR freehub bodies yet.

UPDATE: Just saw CK announced an XDR freehub body for both R45 rim and disc brake hubs. I'm sure the other brands will announce theirs soon now that SRAM has dropped the groupset.

batman1425 02-06-2019 10:45 AM

Would like to see the app based programing be offered to existing eTap systems. This is why they came with the dongle in the first place right? Firmware updates that never happened? I'd like the sequential and assist options but don't want a hardware change to get them.

doubleklobbs 02-06-2019 10:46 AM

The powermeter is also integrated into the chainrings, so if you want to replace the chainrings you have to chuck your powermeter. That's laughable.

SRAM claim that there is a 50% increase in chainring durability, and you get the replacement powermeter half price, but it's still pretty stupid.

batman1425 02-06-2019 10:47 AM

edit^^^^ beat me to it:


Also - the chainrings are integrated into the powermeter. If you bend, wear out, or otherwise want to change a ring, you can't.

Sram says if damage or wear out happens, they will sell you a replacement for half off. I like my current eTap stuff, but no thanks on the disposable power meter option.

kppolich 02-06-2019 10:50 AM

Sigh, at least 11sp eTap will finally be affordable. God forbid the industry stays with something for more than a year before setting new standards in order to use their products.

jtbadge 02-06-2019 10:53 AM

Interesting development, from the Radavist:

"Drop bar mountain bikes, or monster cross bikes are such capable vehicles for rides like this. They allow for multiple hand positions, varied riding positions, bigger tires, and extended gearing. The problem is, getting road shifters to work with mountain bike derailleurs has always been tricky.

Check back tomorrow and we’ll look at the bike I built with Moots and SRAM’s new AXS group…"


https://1k8v1j48qpy31xwzwlyhyn9p-wpe...DO_MOOTS-6.jpg

shoota 02-06-2019 10:57 AM

I'm wondering if we couldn't just use our existing cranks with an aftermarket 1X ring? Like we do now. Why do we have to be forced to use sram's new cranksets?

shoota 02-06-2019 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtbadge (Post 2496810)
Interesting development, from the Radavist:

"Drop bar mountain bikes, or monster cross bikes are such capable vehicles for rides like this. They allow for multiple hand positions, varied riding positions, bigger tires, and extended gearing. The problem is, getting road shifters to work with mountain bike derailleurs has always been tricky.

Check back tomorrow and we’ll look at the bike I built with Moots and SRAM’s new AXS group…"


https://1k8v1j48qpy31xwzwlyhyn9p-wpe...DO_MOOTS-6.jpg

It's just the mtb version of the AXS rd. It's a longer cage.


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