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Ecobeard 05-14-2015 06:35 AM

Cheers

Tom Kellogg has confirmed its not one of his and has pointed me in the direction of Ti Cycles.

Ecobeard 05-14-2015 02:33 PM

I've just had it confirmed by David a Levy that my frame is a Clark Kent.

Apologies for spamming your Serotta thread.

Thanks for the help.

Cheers

Rob

Keith A 05-14-2015 02:39 PM

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

bocobiking 05-21-2015 08:53 PM

Does anyone know when Serotta began using head badges as opposed to head decals? Thanks.

oliver1850 05-29-2015 10:51 AM

I couldn't find a head badge in the catalogs until 2001. They were shown on CSI and Legend that year, all other models (including somewhat oddly, the top-of-the-line Hors Categorie) are shown with decals. My 1997 Legend has a badge, but I suspect someone added it later.

bocobiking 05-29-2015 11:30 AM

Thanks.

oliver1850 06-02-2015 11:57 AM

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There's a purple Ti (circa 1996) on ebay that also has a head badge. Again, could have been added later.

On another topic, I think I've finally figured out the early 1980s serial number system for sure. 1983 Club Special, serial number 83732. This settles the question as to whether the numbers after the year (83 in this case) were running numbers or running numbers for a given month. All the others I'd seen from this period could have been either, but since there are only 31 days in July, it seems that this would have been the 732nd frame made in 1983.

bocobiking 06-17-2015 05:57 PM

My Legend's serial number is CTI 63 5037. I understand that the 5037 is a production number. Does it mean that my frame was the five thousand thirty-seventh Legend ever produced? Or is it the five thousand thirty-seventh Legend produced in a given year (which seems like a lot of frames for one year). If indeed it's the former, is there anyway of approximating the year this frame was made? Thanks.

oliver1850 06-22-2015 04:30 PM

5037 sounds like a lot of Legends period, but yes that's through the whole range of model years. Yours is a custom. They did make quite a few per year. I think I have a 1994 (2nd year) that's in the mid 800 range.

We have a CSI serial number log somewhere but have not done one for Legends. Best way to date without knowing someone who has one with a near number (who bought it new and is sure of the year) is by frame details and paint. Some colors and decal colors came and went quickly. But I'm guessing yours is well up in the 2000s with a serial number that high.

bocobiking 06-23-2015 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oliver1850 (Post 1777358)
5037 sounds like a lot of Legends period, but yes that's through the whole range of model years. Yours is a custom. They did make quite a few per year. I think I have a 1994 (2nd year) that's in the mid 800 range.

We have a CSI serial number log somewhere but have not done one for Legends. Best way to date without knowing someone who has one with a near number (who bought it new and is sure of the year) is by frame details and paint. Some colors and decal colors came and went quickly. But I'm guessing yours is well up in the 2000s with a serial number that high.


Thanks. That's kind of what I was guessing for my frame's age. Maybe I'll post on the general forum a request for Legend owners who have both a serial number and a date.

bjf 06-26-2015 09:32 PM

Le/ls
 
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Originally Posted by oliver1850 (Post 1712841)
I don't know this for certain but my best guess is that LE is the code for a Legend ST, which is a Legend with a carbon seat stay. CLE would be a custom.

2003 was the first year for the Legend ST. If your bike has the carbon stay, I'd say you have a 2003 Legend ST since they likely made at least 24 in the first year of production.

Let us know if you do have the ST stay so we can be sure of the LE code.

thanks

I gather from the list at the beginning of this thread that you eventually concluded that LE stands for a Legend with GS tubing. I don't see LS on the list, but from another post somewhere in this thread I suspect that LS stands for Legend ST, that is the Legend with the ST carbon stays. I'm working on one right now -- CLS 56 148. Can't wait to get it built.

oliver1850 06-30-2015 02:32 PM

Thanks for the clarification. We really need to get the list updated and put in alphabetical order.

oliver1850 07-27-2015 12:46 PM

Circa 2006 Coeur d'Acier CS (with carbon stay) = CD.

Dallez 09-06-2015 08:19 PM

I acquired a 1991 Colorado II from the original owner this Spring. The paint is (fluorescent) Magenta / Orange fade and the Serial number is:

SC 54 2735

Jaypkk 09-11-2015 11:20 AM

Fierte Titanium 56 Confusion
 
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I am puzzling over the geometry of a circa 2005 Fierte Ti frame I am about to sell. It is stamped FT 56 595 underneath the bottom bracket which I understand from this thread means Fierte Titanium, size 56 cm, the 595th such bike to be built. It was purchased in Denver at Turin in 2005.

What's puzzling me is that I cannot match the measured dimensions, even allowing for approximations, with any stock frame measurements from the era. I measured the bike as follows:
Top tube: 53
Seat tube: 54
Head tube: 19
Chain stay: 42 (might be 41.5)

When I go back through the web archives, such as this, I cannot find anything that matches up, especially the massive head tube and relatively short top tube. I'm measured from all the correct center points as far as I know. I can post images if that's useful, but I'm hoping someone here can point me in the correct direction. By the way, I should say that this particular geometry resulted in a very comfortable ride whose only drawback was a slight amount of toe overlap (not surprising given the relatively short top tube): great for long, all day rides on less than smooth surfaces. Thanks in advance for anything you've got.


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