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yinzerniner 08-04-2020 04:34 PM

OT: Pray for Beirut and Lebanon
 
Initial reports are 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded, roughly equal to what leveled Texas City in 1947. Dozens dead so far, thousands injured, blast could be felt 100 miles away at a strength of roughly 3.3 on the Richter scale.

But longterm damage could be much worse, as Beirut is the central port to which all economic activity flows throughout the country. This could easily incite famine along with the medical and economic hardships of coronavirus.

Pray for Beirut and the Lebanese people.

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/stat...423516162?s=20

AngryScientist 08-04-2020 04:41 PM

Yes, some work contacts forwarded some info, i wish i could figure out how to upload video here. the amount of tangential destruction is incredible. not good.

rnhood 08-04-2020 04:46 PM

It's sad, and hopefully they will learn for their mistakes.

reuben 08-04-2020 04:49 PM

Video and article.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53656220

reuben 08-04-2020 05:43 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-ap...WZ4.jpg&w=1200

robertbb 08-04-2020 05:44 PM

The shockwave is absolutely insane!

Won't be long before the conspiracy theories (and warmongering) begin...

Hilltopperny 08-04-2020 05:46 PM

This is catastrophic. My thoughts and prayers for the people of Beruit.

Allcarbon 08-04-2020 06:00 PM

The destructive force of the shockwave was horrifying. Really hope the casualties are not as high as that explosion looked...

KJMUNC 08-04-2020 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by yinzerniner (Post 2770469)
Initial reports are 2,700 tons of ammonium nitrate exploded, roughly equal to what leveled Texas City in 1947.
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/stat...423516162?s=20

Whoa.....for those who remember the OKC bombing: that was 7000lbs of ammonium nitrate.....which is roughly one tenth of one percent of the material that exploded today.

Matthew 08-04-2020 07:27 PM

Incredible video. They said the airport had damage and it's 6 miles away. Very sad for the loss of life and injuries.

glepore 08-04-2020 08:01 PM

I do feel for them.

But who the hell stores over 50,000 lbs of ammonium nitrate next to a fireworks warehouse? I mean, what could go wrong?

weisan 08-04-2020 08:02 PM

video captured from various perspectives

https://youtu.be/eCSQXzGhVj0

Toeclips 08-04-2020 08:34 PM

I think it's the largest mushroom cloud explosion I've seen in my lifetime

My heart goes out to all who are in need over there

the bottle ride 08-04-2020 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glepore (Post 2770577)

But who the hell stores over 50,000 lbs of ammonium nitrate next to a fireworks warehouse? I mean, what could go wrong?

This.

LJohnny 08-04-2020 08:41 PM

The news reports 2750 Tons of Ammonium nitrate, that is 5.5 million pounds. That is insane, no wonder the magnitude of the explosion.

Louis 08-04-2020 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LJohnny (Post 2770617)
The news reports 2750 Tons of Ammonium nitrate, that is 5.5 million pounds. That is insane, no wonder the magnitude of the explosion.

It's so much, how does such a huge quantity even explode all at the same time? I don't know anything about this sort of chemical reaction, but wow, that is amazing.

glepore 08-04-2020 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis (Post 2770620)
It's so much, how does such a huge quantity even explode all at the same time? I don't know anything about this sort of chemical reaction, but wow, that is amazing.

It doesn't, unless its compacted and charged. But if its smoldering in a low oxygen situation and suddenly something hits air...

But, honestly, there may be more to this story. Or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_F...pany_explosion

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...s-581-in-texas

One was an accident, one wasn't. Of course, there's Oklahoma City as well. So who knows.

madsciencenow 08-04-2020 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hilltopperny (Post 2770511)
This is catastrophic. My thoughts and prayers for the people of Beruit.


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LJohnny 08-04-2020 09:30 PM

Having worked during the the dog days of summer in farms during my high school days, I can tell you that fertilizer formulated NH4NO3 can form a hot amalgam and almost start liquefying. So if the conditions were hot and humid things can start melting together.

Hellgate 08-04-2020 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glepore (Post 2770577)
I do feel for them.



But who the hell stores over 50,000 lbs of ammonium nitrate next to a fireworks warehouse? I mean, what could go wrong?

Inshallah

jlwdm 08-05-2020 06:14 AM

Shocking that this much ammonium nitrate had been stored there for about 6 years.

Jeff

josephr 08-05-2020 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by weisan (Post 2770579)
video captured from various perspectives

https://youtu.be/eCSQXzGhVj0

thanks...first time seeing video footage of the aftermath. Gonna need a really big shopvac! Seriously, I read 4000 wounded going to hospitals...take that on top or corona and you know their hospitals are over-whelmed.

oldpotatoe 08-05-2020 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by robertbb (Post 2770510)
The shockwave is absolutely insane!

Won't be long before the conspiracy theories (and warmongering) begin...

Already has...yesterday, w/o any evidence. Another distraction..

William 08-05-2020 11:25 AM

Knowing someone in the insurance biz who knows about covering this substance for shipment - it can be very unstable if not stored properly. That much of it being left sitting in a warehouse for that many years...not a surprising outcome.







W.

Ken Robb 08-05-2020 11:50 AM

I wonder why this stuff was being saved for so long.

yinzerniner 08-05-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Robb (Post 2770862)
I wonder why this stuff was being saved for so long.

That's the million dollar question. However, with the state of Lebanon's government it's easy to see why such an oversight could be made. Ammonium nitrate is safe by itself, but can easily become deadly if not stored and protected properly. It looks like somehow someone missed that the huge stockpile should be protected at all costs from any kind of fire or other accelerant.

Good primer on the Lebanese crisis here (spookily published just hours before the blast):
https://www.theguardian.com/world/au...conomic-crisis

Aftermath of the blast site:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/world...rnd/index.html
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/asse...-super-169.jpg

benb 08-05-2020 01:16 PM

They kept saying the chemicals had been confiscated from a ship. Why they were left there so long who knows.

This explosion looks bigger than most of the videos of fertilizer explosions.

It is also bigger than the US explosion when we had a rocket fuel storage facillity go up in the 80s. Way way bigger.

There are videos of fireworks warehouses on fire.. the initial footage of the fire here doesn't really look like fireworks. Fireworks fires seem to really obviously look like fireworks going off + a giant fire and smoke.

Who knows what but I bet there was something else besides fireworks burning in the initial fire. Maybe just the chemicals themselves.

Velocipede 08-05-2020 01:34 PM

they said it was felt 150 miles away in Greece. I'm surprised that storage warehouse that anything is standing. Some amazing construction right there.

Gsinill 08-05-2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robertbb (Post 2770510)
The shockwave is absolutely insane!

Won't be long before the conspiracy theories (and warmongering) begin...

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldpotatoe (Post 2770736)
Already has...yesterday, w/o any evidence. Another distraction..

And today called an "attack" by... well, take a guess!

Ozz 08-05-2020 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocipede (Post 2770941)
they said it was felt 150 miles away in Greece. I'm surprised that storage warehouse that anything is standing. Some amazing construction right there.

Those look like grain elevators....those are tough to take down

mtechnica 08-05-2020 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glepore (Post 2770577)
I do feel for them.

But who the hell stores over 50,000 lbs of ammonium nitrate next to a fireworks warehouse? I mean, what could go wrong?

Maybe they prayed that nothing bad would happen and just figured it would be ok, kind of like when people pray for the victims of the explosion as if it’s going to help them somehow.

colker 08-05-2020 02:24 PM

Bureaucracy, incompetence and corruption did it. It wasn´t an attack. There is no point in calling an attack when no one even comes up owning it.

azrider 08-05-2020 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mtechnica (Post 2770954)
Maybe they prayed that nothing bad would happen and just figured it would be ok, kind of like when people pray for the victims of the explosion as if it’s going to help them somehow.

Good grief.......

mjb266 08-05-2020 02:40 PM

https://youtu.be/ROrpKx3aIjA

It happened at a Texas facility about a decade back. Killed half of the towns volunteer firefighters.

reuben 08-05-2020 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozz (Post 2770950)
Those look like grain elevators....those are tough to take down

Yeah, I noticed that. If they are indeed grain elevators, that will be another hit to an already struggling population. Bread is a staple in that part of the world, often with long standing government subsidies, as in Egypt.

Gsinill 08-05-2020 02:43 PM

Just read that this stuff was on a ship from Georgia to Mozambique in 2013.
Due to an engine issue they docked in Beirut.
Apparently both, the Moldavian owner of the vessel and the seller of the cargo gave up on it.
In 2015 in order to get rid of the ship, the Lebanese authorities decided to unload it and store the ammonium nitrate in the same depot where is blew up 5 years later.
There was apparently a request every year to get rid of it by either sending it back to the original owner or to have it disposed by experts but it never happened.
Sounds like typical government bureaucracy got in the way...

ERK55 08-05-2020 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reuben (Post 2770982)
Yeah, I noticed that. If they are indeed grain elevators, that will be another hit to an already struggling population. Bread is a staple in that part of the world, often with long standing government subsidies, as in Egypt.

It’s said that 85% of Lebanon’s grain stores were kept in that port area and are now destroyed.

Keith A 08-05-2020 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERK55 (Post 2770993)
It’s said that 85% of Lebanon’s grain stores were kept in that port area and are now destroyed.

They are already having serious economic issues, this certainly won't help :(

Velocipede 08-05-2020 06:29 PM

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ESI took hi-res images of the area after the explosion. Just devastating.

haruharu 08-05-2020 07:00 PM

it seems like Lebanon hasnt caught a break since the 50s. I will continue to keep them in my thoughts


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