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wc1934 01-26-2020 02:02 PM

OT Terribly sad news - Kobe Bryant
 
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...icopter-crash/

So sad!!!!

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 02:05 PM

See the NBA thread. Never been one to put athletes on pedestals. Don't know why I'm blinking back tears now. This really affected me.

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 02:13 PM

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Really sad.

Matthew 01-26-2020 02:16 PM

Just crazy. Only 41 and four young children and a wife. So sad. RIP Kobe.

OtayBW 01-26-2020 02:19 PM

WHAAAT???? Oh. Good. Grief!!!!!

cash05458 01-26-2020 02:33 PM

bad and terrible stuff...only hope he didn't have any of his kids with him as well...

jtakeda 01-26-2020 02:36 PM

God I heard.

ABC is reporting one or maybe more of his daughters was on the helicopter. The nba has cancelled all games today.

So devastating for their family and so sad

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 02:42 PM

I've been reaching out to friends. The last time I cried when an athlete died was Thurman Munson, and I was just a boy.

One of my buddies had a quip that brought a smile to my face:

"The last time I cried about an athlete is when the Warriors drafted Todd Fuller instead of Kobe."

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jtakeda (Post 2648889)
God I heard.

ABC is reporting one or maybe more of his daughters was on the helicopter. The nba has cancelled all games today.

So devastating for their family and so sad

Noooo.

josephr 01-26-2020 02:44 PM

and he was also an avid mountain biker! :cool:

jtakeda 01-26-2020 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XXtwindad (Post 2648892)
Noooo.

https://twitter.com/courtneyshaw13/s...068793856?s=21

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jtakeda (Post 2648895)

That seems totally unconfirmed. Hoping to God it is.

jtakeda 01-26-2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XXtwindad (Post 2648896)
That seems totally unconfirmed. Hoping to God it is.

Me too. I’m getting updates from my friend who knows how to Twitter so not sure if it’s normal to have unconfirmed news. I’ve never actually used Twitter.

jtakeda 01-26-2020 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by XXtwindad (Post 2648896)
That seems totally unconfirmed. Hoping to God it is.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1...893925376?s=21
Sources: Kobe Bryant was on his way to a travel basketball game with his daughter Gianna when the helicopter crashed. Those aboard the helicopter also included another player and parent.

jimcav 01-26-2020 03:16 PM

terribly sad
 
the speculation sucks. i wish news could just take a beat and wait until facts are known. He was an amazing athlete, and well loved beyond the sport. I wish strength to his family, friends and fans who have to live without him.

Matthew 01-26-2020 03:17 PM

I did read that his 13 year old daughter was also on board as well as another former NBA player. Reported by CBS I believe.

Elefantino 01-26-2020 03:37 PM

Not to drift, but this reminds me of the death of NASCAR great Davey Allison in 1993. My son, then 10, was a huge Davey fan and spent time with him in Sonoma in '92. Lots of tears then, too.

So sad.

Blue Jays 01-26-2020 03:44 PM

Whoa. Horrible news. A sports legend.

Tony T 01-26-2020 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew (Post 2648908)
I did read that his 13 year old daughter was also on board as well as another former NBA player. Reported by CBS I believe.

New York Times is also reporting that his daughter was with him (The retired Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant, 41, and his daughter Gianna died in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, Calif.)

Matthew 01-26-2020 04:45 PM

CNN just said nine confirmed dead now. Just keeps getting worse.

David Kirk 01-26-2020 05:03 PM

This effing blows.

Even with all he accomplished in his early years one can say his life had just begun.

Rest in peace young man.

dave

joosttx 01-26-2020 06:26 PM

So sad. On so many levels. I am wishing his family peace and healing. God Bless them.

FlashUNC 01-26-2020 06:49 PM

Great 2 guard who fit the era he played in.

After that, well, that's about the only compliment I can think of for the guy.

jimcav 01-26-2020 07:23 PM

As Thumper's Daddy might say
 
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Originally Posted by FlashUNC (Post 2648989)
Great 2 guard who fit the era he played in.

After that, well, that's about the only compliment I can think of for the guy.

Just stop after that 1st sentence, if you don't have anything nice to say. He was doing some good work with after school all stars, and his own foundation that I heard or read in SOCAL news not that long ago.

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 07:25 PM

[QUOTE=FlashUNC;2648989]Great 2 guard who fit the era he played in.

After that, well, that's about the only compliment I can think of for the guy.

Well, I can see your perspective. It's certainly a rational one. His legacy is complicated - undoubtedly the most complicated in this Millennium. But that doesn't explain why I've been teary eyed all day.

Kobe was a master of burnishing his own legacy. He created the "Mamba," the gunner who saved the day late in the game (the stats don't exactly agree) and the charming, charismatic, and handsome man who was tailor-made for Tinseltown. Except that was really a myth, too. See: hotel room, Colorado. And his teammates didn't exactly adore him.

Contrast Kobe with AI, who was seemingly his antithesis. And he was. Yet the press flipped the script. AI was adored by his community, and his teammates.

But it's easy to digest a ready-made script. At the Philly/LA game last night, (the same game where the cameras zoomed in on LBJ's eerily prescient "Kobe Homage" shoes) my buddy and I saw a guy embrace Mark Jackson and Van Gundy. We didn't know who it was. We were shocked when we found out it was AI. Hard to believe. He looked drastically different from his playing days.

But not Kobe. He was the first basketball superstar of the Internet Age, and for 25 years, he never appeared anything less than youthful, confident, and indestructible. Hard to reconcile the fact that he's gone.

That's why I've been crying on and off today. Especially now that I'm a parent. You want to believe that someone like Kobe, who so artfully mastered his own legacy, would be impervious to the capricious whims of fate.

But he wasn't.

https://www.heraldcourier.com/sports...e39cb09c4.html

FlashUNC 01-26-2020 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimcav (Post 2649005)
Just stop after that 1st sentence, if you don't have anything nice to say. He was doing some good work with after school all stars, and his own foundation that I heard or read in SOCAL news not that long ago.

Or for a more holistic reading he leaves a, uh, complicated legacy.

Chris 01-26-2020 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashUNC (Post 2649011)
Or for a more holistic reading he leaves a, uh, complicated legacy.

We can always count on you to come in and demonstrate how to lack class when a time calls for it. Why can’t you just keep your holier than thou soapbox rants to yourself when there’s a thread about someone’s death?

FlashUNC 01-26-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 2649022)
We can always count on you to come in and demonstrate how to lack class when a time calls for it. Why can’t you just keep your holier than thou soapbox rants to yourself when there’s a thread about someone’s death?

Because it's a discussion forum?

jimcav 01-26-2020 07:47 PM

Not disagreeing with that
 
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Originally Posted by FlashUNC (Post 2649011)
Or for a more holistic reading he leaves a, uh, complicated legacy.

I'm actually not a personal fan, apart from enjoying his athleticism, I just question the need or utility of any disparaging comments on what is a essentially a RIP thread, started out of respect. Bambi was the 1st movie my parents ever took me to, and my mom would often use it to remind me to speak kindly, or not at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and has the right to express it; and perhaps it is just the contentious political times are wearing on me, but I sometimes wish people would just give more consideration to when to express. But, I suppose I'm just as guilty, as I didn't need to comment on your entirely reasonable view that you had nothing else positive to say.

cash05458 01-26-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashUNC (Post 2648989)
Great 2 guard who fit the era he played in.

After that, well, that's about the only compliment I can think of for the guy.

check out facebook stuff...pretty much it's noone will miss a rapist...things are so outta control in this nation emotionally...

Chris 01-26-2020 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashUNC (Post 2649023)
Because it's a discussion forum?

Like Jim said, it’s a RIP thread. No real discussion about a person’s failings needed. Seems like every time someone dies and something gets posted, you have to come in and troll. It gets old and it’s completely without class. Maybe next time you feel you absolutely must point out that someone has some skeletons in their closet, just don’t. We’ll all be better for it; you included.

cash05458 01-26-2020 07:54 PM

"His legacy is complicated - undoubtedly the most complicated in this Millennium."

huh...? seriously, what on earth are you talking about ? Hyperbole is a real sickness to be honest...use your head.

jtbadge 01-26-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cash05458 (Post 2649027)
"His legacy is complicated - undoubtedly the most complicated in this Millennium."

huh...? seriously, what on earth are you talking about ?

His legacy is complicated due to his dating and then marrying a minor, then committing adultery and rape soon after the birth of their first child, for starters.

GOTHBROOKS 01-26-2020 07:55 PM

yeah the dude was a known womanizer, scumbag, and delusional egomaniac, but i just think it sucks his kid died.

cash05458 01-26-2020 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GOTHBROOKS (Post 2649031)
yeah the dude was a known womanizer, scumbag, and delusional egomaniac, but i just think it sucks his kid died.

you mean like lance? nice stuff on ****ting on the dead...incredible...give it some time...something wrong with that and you...

XXtwindad 01-26-2020 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cash05458 (Post 2649027)
"His legacy is complicated - undoubtedly the most complicated in this Millennium."

huh...? seriously, what on earth are you talking about ? Hyperbole is a real sickness to be honest...use your head.

Please read my post again. I think I was very respectful. I was merely pointing out that he had many facets, both as a player and a man.

cash05458 01-26-2020 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XXtwindad (Post 2649035)
Please read my post again. I think I was very respectful. I was merely pointing out that he had many facets, both as a player and a man.


"His legacy is complicated - undoubtedly the most complicated in this Millennium."

you do know a millennium is a thousand years yes bud? That is where my comment about hysterical hyperbole comes from....so this guy and his rep is "undoubtably" the most complicated of things of any public figure since 2000? Be serious....

jtbadge 01-26-2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cash05458 (Post 2649039)
"His legacy is complicated - undoubtedly the most complicated in this Millennium."

you do know a millennium is a thousand years yes bud? That is where my comment about hysterical hyperbole comes from....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

This millennium is only 20 years old, calm down

FlashUNC 01-26-2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 2649026)
Like Jim said, it’s a RIP thread. No real discussion about a person’s failings needed. Seems like every time someone dies and something gets posted, you have to come in and troll. It gets old and it’s completely without class. Maybe next time you feel you absolutely must point out that someone has some skeletons in their closet, just don’t. We’ll all be better for it; you included.

Sharing my opinion isn't trolling, and I haven't shared what my opinion is of the man out of deference to this "if you don't have anything nice to say" nonsense. When Jimmy Carter finally dies you'll see reams of words from me about a real saint of a human being.

As I've stated elsewhere on this subject, if we want to have RIP threads for public figures, then just demand empty, banal RIP platitudes when these are complex, interesting figures to discuss, I think that speaks poorly of the forum's ability to actually discuss things.

sales guy 01-26-2020 08:06 PM

It's being reported that fog was the factor in the crash.

https://www.tmz.com/


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