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Veloo 03-15-2019 10:48 AM

Mavic sold
 
So this isn't the first time Mavic was owned by someone else besides Mavic?

https://www.bike-eu.com/home/nieuws/...-firm-10135527

Mark McM 03-15-2019 11:32 AM

Well, kind of.

Mavic was independent until it was bought by Salomon in 1992. Then Salomon was bought by Adidas in 1997, which then changed its name to Adidas-Salomon. Adidas sold the Salomon group (which included Mavic) to Amer Sports in 2005. So in a way, this is only the second time that Mavic has changed direct ownership (the first was when it was bought by Salomon), as it remained under Salomon when the ultimate parent company was Adidas-Salomon and Amer Sports.

Oh, the tangled web of corporate ownership ...

ColnagoC59 03-15-2019 12:35 PM

Two things jump out. Enve isn't being sold, so I'm wondering if they're selling it back to the previous owners and Regent is private equity. Betting they suck all the money out and kill the franchise

texbike 03-15-2019 03:09 PM

Nothing F's up a place more than US private equity...

ColnagoC59 03-15-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by texbike (Post 2514341)
Nothing F's up a place more than US private equity...


often, not always

Hellgate 03-15-2019 05:13 PM

Good, perhaps we'll see a new groupset now, an new energy put into wheels and rims?

ColnagoC59 03-15-2019 05:53 PM

in 5 years mavic will be sold by bikes direct , it will be built in china, won't resemble the current product and the private equity firm will have made a handsome return. can anyone say bell and howell?

Nomadmax 03-15-2019 06:38 PM

Time for me to stock up on rims.

ultraman6970 03-15-2019 07:17 PM

Hope doesnt happen as usual... try to reinvent the wheel again just to put POS in the market.

1centaur 03-15-2019 08:22 PM

Mavic was a notable underperformer for Amer. Regent is not a typical PE firm, based on its current portfolio companies. Might or might not work out but it was not working at Amer.

pbarry 03-15-2019 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomadmax (Post 2514406)
Time for me to stock up on rims.

Which ones? Their rim offerings are underwhelming as the focus has been on machine built wheels for a decade or more.

Nomadmax 03-16-2019 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pbarry (Post 2514454)
Which ones? Their rim offerings are underwhelming as the focus has been on machine built wheels for a decade or more.

Probably silver Open Pro clinchers. I have some older bikes and I want a stock of rims that can be built up on old Record hubs. I also have some modern Campy wheels as well.

oldpotatoe 03-16-2019 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pbarry (Post 2514454)
Which ones? Their rim offerings are underwhelming as the focus has been on machine built wheels for a decade or more.

yup, lots of really good, other choices these days.
DT
HED
Velocity
H+Son
Kinlin
++
Plus a whole slew of carbon ones that ERGOTT know way more about..

Plus some really great hubsets...

Good times for wheelbuilders:)

peanutgallery 03-16-2019 05:59 AM

From the comments in the BRAIN article, a classic;

I look forward to Regent applying the knowledge they have acquired in running Lilian Vernon, SuperCuts, and FineStationery into revitalizing a brand known for technical innovation and quality. The synergies are boundless

peanutgallery 03-16-2019 06:05 AM

I'd stick always when the bike Industry is involved

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Originally Posted by ColnagoC59 (Post 2514346)
often, not always


oldpotatoe 03-16-2019 06:17 AM

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the knowledge they have acquired in running Lilian Vernon, SuperCuts, and FineStationery
Really? I guess the boys and girls at Mavic will look nice, have great haircuts and use really nice paper products...:eek:

Black Dog 03-16-2019 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nomadmax (Post 2514478)
Probably silver Open Pro clinchers. I have some older bikes and I want a stock of rims that can be built up on old Record hubs. I also have some modern Campy wheels as well.

There are many better rims available in silver in a variety of profiles.

Jeff N. 03-16-2019 06:51 AM

Ksyrium rims, with their apparent tendency to crack at the spoke, need a total revamping for sure.

peanutgallery 03-16-2019 05:34 PM

Throw in some flannel shirts or red wing boots and they'll be lumbersexual:)

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Originally Posted by oldpotatoe (Post 2514489)
Really? I guess the boys and girls at Mavic will look nice, have great haircuts and use really nice paper products...:eek:


ColnagoC59 03-16-2019 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1centaur (Post 2514438)
Mavic was a notable underperformer for Amer. Regent is not a typical PE firm, based on its current portfolio companies. Might or might not work out but it was not working at Amer.

I have Mavic's on my gravel bike. They're a solid performer. Not the most exciting wheel but for my Firefly it fit the bill

993rs 03-16-2019 05:58 PM

Stick a fork in them, they are done. Back when we all rode 26” mountain bikes they were must haves.

merckx 03-16-2019 06:50 PM

I chewed up a lot of kilometers and competitive events on an early 90's mavic group. Absolutely loved the performance and durability of that stuff. I had all of the BB and hub bearing tools even though the bearings seldom needed much fuss. They shot themselves in the foot with Zap, and then put the barrel to the temple with Metronic. Oh what a shame. I carried on with some of the rubbish that followed, but then cut the mortal coil when they teetered on the rim of the abyss. If they swallowed hard, and fortified the Reflex tub by, say, 50 grams, I'd join them in bed again.

KidWok 03-16-2019 09:45 PM

Mavic led the way for the bike industry's shift towards forced obsolescence starting with the Cosmic wheel set. Since then, they've been a marketing-focused company with dubious products (remember first-gen R-Sys? Ridiculously loud Exalith braking surfaces?) that turned a deaf ear to rider feedback. The brand has become synonymous with disposable garbage because their products either broke and/or you were forced to throw it away well before reasonably expected.

Tai

dddd 03-17-2019 12:33 AM

Timely to this discussion, the Mavic booth at NAHBS yesterday had four new Mavic carbon bare rims that I checked out and thought would be good build choices if the prices are reasonable.
The brake tracks on the rim versions have the resin removed from the surface for braking performance and there are two different depths for both rim and disc applications.

$500 each for all four models, deep/shallow and disc/rim.

Here's the news online:
https://bikerumor.com/2019/03/15/mav...gravel-wheels/

Blown Reek 03-17-2019 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidWok (Post 2514726)
Mavic led the way for the bike industry's shift towards forced obsolescence starting with the Cosmic wheel set. Since then, they've been a marketing-focused company with dubious products (remember first-gen R-Sys? Ridiculously loud Exalith braking surfaces?) that turned a deaf ear to rider feedback. The brand has become synonymous with disposable garbage because their products either broke and/or you were forced to throw it away well before reasonably expected.

Tai

Tell how us how you really feel.

Jeff N. 03-17-2019 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidWok (Post 2514726)
Mavic led the way for the bike industry's shift towards forced obsolescence starting with the Cosmic wheel set. Since then, they've been a marketing-focused company with dubious products (remember first-gen R-Sys? Ridiculously loud Exalith braking surfaces?) that turned a deaf ear to rider feedback. The brand has become synonymous with disposable garbage because their products either broke and/or you were forced to throw it away well before reasonably expected.

Tai

Agree 100%.

oldpotatoe 03-17-2019 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidWok (Post 2514726)
Mavic led the way for the bike industry's shift towards forced obsolescence starting with the Cosmic wheel set. Since then, they've been a marketing-focused company with dubious products (remember first-gen R-Sys? Ridiculously loud Exalith braking surfaces?) that turned a deaf ear to rider feedback. The brand has become synonymous with disposable garbage because their products either broke and/or you were forced to throw it away well before reasonably expected.

Tai

Can't really argue with this..I met with a mavic guy at Interbike and mentioned the OpenPro 'loose wedge', rim click issue, which we had seen a dozen times and got the 'we have never heard of this before'...Last gen OpenPro..STILL have that issue. Throw in a different spoke length seems like introduced weekly for these aluminum spoke wheels and cheap, poor design rear hubs(now improved tho)..sorry, not a fan..To bad too cuz they have made some really great stuff.
Hubs
Early rims like SSC
groups/ders/BBs/brakes

But the last 5-6 years..maybe more..no thanks.

Considering what's 'out there' that mavic is trying to compete with, the products they now have..think mavic is in trouble..


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