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RWL2222 01-16-2022 06:35 PM

Gravel is as old as cycling! —Rene Herse content
 
There’s a beautifully written article with loads of storytelling pics over on rene herse—tying together the history of riding bikes on dirt roads, including a key insight (to me, anyhoo) on the marketing imperative of flat bars in the ‘80s (when I bought my first mtb). Gravel Hall of Fame, anyone?

https://www.renehersecycles.com/grav...ld-as-cycling/

rustychisel 01-16-2022 06:52 PM

You're right. Beautifully written with a very big side serving of 'I told you so.'

"At the time, we felt we were rediscovering something beautiful rather than inventing something new."

spoonrobot 01-16-2022 07:33 PM

https://drandalls.files.wordpress.co...enehurts-1.png

shoota 01-16-2022 07:49 PM

And not one mention of Salsa. Whatever. I still want a full steel “gravel” bike and no helmet. YOLO

RWL2222 01-16-2022 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonrobot (Post 3038728)

Well OK but the context I think is more in regard to the recently announced Gravel Hall of Fame https://cyclingtips.com/2022/01/does...-hall-of-fame/ which does not strike me as exactly akin to the mountain bike hall of fame
https://mmbhof.org

charliedid 01-16-2022 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonrobot (Post 3038728)

Maybe it's just a cycling activity and not a GD conspiracy.

rustychisel 01-16-2022 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by charliedid (Post 3038748)
Maybe it's just a cycling activity and not a GD conspiracy.

Then as an unbeliever might I respectfully suggest some on here do not treat it as a Revelation. (capitalisation intended)

oldpotatoe 01-17-2022 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rustychisel (Post 3038770)
then as an unbeliever might i respectfully suggest some on here do not treat it as a revelation. (capitalisation intended)

poy…:)

charliedid 01-17-2022 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rustychisel (Post 3038770)
Then as an unbeliever might I respectfully suggest some on here do not treat it as a Revelation. (capitalisation intended)

If only everything was silver and made by Italians...

dustyrider 01-17-2022 09:16 AM

I couldn’t read past the first line…gravel seems like a marketing term developed to sell more bikes and a hall of fame seems like a way to legitimize what essentially amounts to a money grab to convince people they need a new or different bike because of a “label” that has been attached to a type of riding everyone already does. I ride 25c tires without disc brakes on gravel all the time…maybe if I were fully invested in a brand that manufacturers and sells product for that type of riding, I would care about that hall of fame too!

RWL2222 01-17-2022 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dustyrider (Post 3038899)
I couldn’t read past the first line…gravel seems like a marketing term developed to sell more bikes and a hall of fame seems like a way to legitimize what essentially amounts to a money grab to convince people they need a new or different bike because of a “label” that has been attached to a type of riding everyone already does. I ride 25c tires without disc brakes on gravel all the time…maybe if I were fully invested in a brand that manufacturers and sells product for that type of riding, I would care about that hall of fame too!

Thats the point of the article pretty much. Too bad my framing of it threw you off.

fiamme red 01-17-2022 09:32 AM

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Some photos were just posted on the CR in memory of the late Peter Johnson. Here he is riding with Jobst Brandt in 1987.

shoota 01-17-2022 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dustyrider (Post 3038899)
I ride 25c tires without disc brakes on gravel all the time…

So help me understand what the point of this comment is? I see people say varying iterations of it all the time and I simply don't understand what the point is.

kppolich 01-17-2022 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shoota (Post 3038934)
So help me understand what the point of this comment is? I see people say varying iterations of it all the time and I simply don't understand what the point is.

The point is:
You don't need a special bike to ride gravel.
You don't need special shoes or 40mm tires to ride gravel.
You don't need to pay $450 race entry fees to race gravel.

Any bike is a gravel bike if you'll set it free.

shoota 01-17-2022 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kppolich (Post 3038939)
The point is:
You don't need a special bike to ride gravel.
You don't need special shoes or tires to ride gravel.
You don't need to pay $450 race entry fees to race gravel.

Any bike is a gravel bike if you'll set it free.

Often I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point is pure curmudgeon-y. Bring that 25c road bike over here and try it. You won't last two miles. Purpose built gravel bikes are fantastic and they add a ton of enjoyment to the gravel ride. I don't understand why more choices is a bad thing. Like you say, ride what you want, but why put down others for what they ride? It's their fault if they fall into the marketing BS, but if they're happy..so what?


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