Zipp vs Enve

[norcalbiker]

I have a buddy that is ready to pull the trigger for a set of nice carbon wheels and ask me which set would I go. So here is his choices.

Zipp 303 front and 404 rear

Enve 1.45 front and 1.65 rear.

Honestly I am not crazy having 2 different sizes but it's his money. Anyways, I thought I ask members opinion here. Which set would you pick and why? Please these are the only choices that he is going to choose from.

TIA

[rice rocket]

Didn't you already make this thread last month?

Edit: http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=90606

[Derailer]

Just get the new Enve wheels, which have front and rear wheels of different depths.

[Joachim]

If aerodynamics is on the top of my list, I'll pick the Zipps (if you believe their data). Before I bought my Reynolds carbon's I spoke to Enve and they told me that they haven't done any real aerodynamic testing on the 1.45 and 1.65 wheels. That changed with the Smart Enve's. The other thing is that Zipps have external nipples, easier to maintain your wheels and no need to remove the tubular. If I would go for bling, it's Enve all the way. Some say that they are stronger and stiffer than Zipps, but I haven't personally seen any data to support this. I definitely like the look of the Enve more than the Zipps.

[norcalbiker]

Didn't you already make this thread last month?

Edit: http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=90606


That was my brother-in-law that endup buying a pre-owned Edge 1.45.

This time is a friend of ours. Actually I told him to get a Zipp 303 in front and Enve 1.65 in the back. :beer:

[nahtnoj]

Since a picture is worth a thousand words:

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showpost.php?p=958681&postcount=22

[norcalbiker]

Very nice. I will forward the link to him.

[ergott]

The Enve 6.7s are seriously awesome wheels. Put another 30 on them this morning. I took them to North Carolina this weekend and road them on the rolling terrain around Raleigh. If you have the power to get them up to speed you will be greatly rewarded. I was motoring in the 20s up 1-2%grades and feeling great!

[Black Dog]

What about the HED Stingers?

[Climb01742]

The Enve 6.7s are seriously awesome wheels. Put another 30 on them this morning. I took them to North Carolina this weekend and road them on the rolling terrain around Raleigh. If you have the power to get them up to speed you will be greatly rewarded. I was motoring in the 20s up 1-2%grades and feeling great!

eric, how do the enve wheels handle broken or lousy pavement? thanks.

[ultraman6970]

Wish zip had the 101 rim in tubular.

[gearguywb]

I have a 45/65 set of Edge.....love 'em :)

[ergott]

eric, how do the enve wheels handle broken or lousy pavement? thanks.

Just fine. I even rode over the rumble strip (like this one) on the side of the road for a while to check them out. They are tough rims!

http://www.seattlecaraccidentlawyerblog.com/rumble%2Bstrip.jpg

[R2D2]

The Enve 6.7s are seriously awesome wheels. Put another 30 on them this morning. I took them to North Carolina this weekend and road them on the rolling terrain around Raleigh. If you have the power to get them up to speed you will be greatly rewarded. I was motoring in the 20s up 1-2%grades and feeling great!

Welcome to NC. We have some great terrain. Hope you got some good Q while in the area. Y'all come back now y' hear...............

[oldpotatoe]

I have a buddy that is ready to pull the trigger for a set of nice carbon wheels and ask me which set would I go. So here is his choices.

Zipp 303 front and 404 rear

Enve 1.45 front and 1.65 rear.

Honestly I am not crazy having 2 different sizes but it's his money. Anyways, I thought I ask members opinion here. Which set would you pick and why? Please these are the only choices that he is going to choose from.

TIA

Which hubs?

Enve, if they use DT are far superior.

[jimcav]

i have cracked 2 diff sets of 303, one older, one the newer layup. that caused me to switch to reynolds, which were bombproof for me, and then i went to edge mainly b/c i wanted an even lighter wheel than my dv46. I love them, have 3 sets now (45, clincher, and 65). i would add the zipps cracked from what i call normal riding--me, 165 pounds to 170 lbs on nice roads--no hits, jumps, curbs, etc. i have not taken hard hits on the edge wheels, i did hit a piece of concrete in the bike lane descending at 40 mph which made that carbon thwack sound and gave me a rear pinch flat, but both wheels were fine.
jim

[norcalbiker]

Which hubs?

Enve, if they use DT are far superior.

I believe you have a choice of DT190 or DT240

[oldpotatoe]

I believe you have a choice of DT190 or DT240

Same hubs except for ceramic bearings which makes no sense to me. They do nothing but add $ to the equation. 240 hubs are superior in everyway to any Zipp hub, in my experience in servicing these wheels. I see toasted bearings(teeny, tiny) in Zipp wheels that see just a small amount of poor weather riding. Really not surprised since I see the same thing in sram BBs and pulleys.

[FixedNotBroken]

Same hubs except for ceramic bearings which makes no sense to me. They do nothing but add $ to the equation. 240 hubs are superior in everyway to any Zipp hub, in my experience in servicing these wheels. I see toasted bearings(teeny, tiny) in Zipp wheels that see just a small amount of poor weather riding. Really not surprised since I see the same thing in sram BBs and pulleys.

Zipp bearings are terrible.. +1

[znfdl]

IMHO, I would get Eric to build you a pair using Alchemy Hubs. DT are nice hubs, but Alchemy builds up a wheel that better suits my riding preferences.

Just my $.02

[FixedNotBroken]

IMHO, I would get Eric to build you a pair using Alchemy Hubs. DT are nice hubs, but Alchemy builds up a wheel that better suits my riding preferences.

Just my $.02

They suit your riding preferences but who knows if they would suit his..it's hard when it comes to wheels haha!

[znfdl]

They suit your riding preferences but who knows if they would suit his..it's hard when it comes to wheels haha!

Alchemy Hubs:
True, wider flange spacing = stronger wheel and greater lateral stiffness
They roll better than DT 240s

[SamIAm]

IMHO, I would get Eric to build you a pair using Alchemy Hubs. DT are nice hubs, but Alchemy builds up a wheel that better suits my riding preferences.

Just my $.02

He is building me just such a set now.

[Jeff N.]

Just my opinion, but I wouldn't buy a Zipp product if you held a gun to my head. The biggest ripoff in cycling. Over-priced gar-bawwwge. :no: Jeff N.