Being Tracked If You Have I Phone/ I Pad

[SEABREEZE]

How many are or were you aware your I PHONE / I PAD has a app that tracks every where you have been.

Has your rights been violated.

Some like, others are outraged, especially when you were not aware of this capability !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTCAomf0bI

[572cv]

Even before iPhone/iPad, the cell providers had to know where you were to connect you to the right network, and bill you, ahem... , appropriately. The first iphone app we noticed as cool was google maps. you push the little pointer icon and it locates you. It follows you on a trip. Location is the trade-off for this technology. If the providers/developers have enough storage capacity for all the world's users and can figure out how to capitalize that information, well, it is the way things are. Plenty of businesses have kept track of what we buy, and have tried for years to fine tune marketing pitches to have us buy more of that. It is an extension of this logic I guess.

[oldpotatoe]

How many are or were you aware your I PHONE / I PAD has a app that tracks every where you have been.

Has your rights been violated.

Some like, others are outraged, especially when you were not aware of this capability !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTCAomf0bI

If you are outraged, get rid of said gizmo. Otherwise I think there are more important things to worry about...like use shimano or Campagnolo???

Is Contador dirty? Is the Giro a better race than the Tour? Lance?? Helmets?

yada, yada, blah, blah...

[jamesutiopia]

Great, if they add ANT+ and I can retire my Garmin :)

[Steve K]

example: http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/05/first-look-at-wahoo-fitness-ant-iphone.html

[victoryfactory]

This is surprising to you?

I guess it would be concerning if you were a spy or the target of an FBI investigation.

If you want to avoid it, turn off your location services button in the settings and don't use wifi
(2 of the most useful and helpful aspects of smart phones)

This tracking is the scheme of Apple to somehow use or sell the information to advertisers and marketers
for what they consider to be benign reasons like "Oh this guy likes to go to Cape Cod, let's send him motel ads, etc.

In the hands of the Enquirer, however it becomes a dangerous mystery-conspiracy panic that needs to be investigated

Both sides have a point.

You could wear a colander on your head and live in a cave, but what's the point? let them know where you are. The world's
ending next year anyway (according to the Mayans)

DON'T TAKE THE BAIT



PS: if you send email or use a phone, the computer scans for danger words and reports them to the government. They also use the same
technology to scan for advertizing words like "Vacation" "Chevy" "Coke" anything that they can add to a list of potential customers
for their ads on the side of the page. In polls, younger people think that is OK older people think it's creepy.

Its the price you pay for the cool technology that nobody wants to pay for up front with memberships, subscriptions etc.
You want "free" internet? You have to pay for it.

Oh yeah... you can turn in your EZ-PASS too and wait in line at the cash booth.

VF

[sg8357]

Hey, Osama please turn your iphone back on.
We don't know where to send the pizza.
Thanks,
your bff at the ISI.

[Climb01742]

location-based marketing is just beginning and will get bigger and (?) better. it is a double-edged sword. but being able to ask your smart phone where's the nearest gas station when you're out of gas could be helpful.

[buck-50]

Yup. and, Meh.

this might help:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2d14q61.jpg

There's just no such thing as privacy on teh iterwebs. It's a myth, like unicorns and climbing wheels.

[Bruce K]

And I thought with the coming of Spring we'd be done with the cabin fever related threads.....

:help: :beer: :bike: :banana:

BK

[zap]

No surprise here either....and if a facebook member or member of any forum.........oh the list goes on.

The need ranges from marketing to paying union bosses.

[William]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jiUQ7PmvS8c/TTB9hThBdVI/AAAAAAAAAEI/0RixljBOBuk/s1600/tin-foil-hat.jpg


;) :) :)


William

[cody.wms]

Great, if they add ANT+ and I can retire my Garmin :)

They do. BAM: http://www.wahoofitness.com/

Now the NSA can track where you are going and what your threshold power is!! :banana:

[1centaur]

"Hello, Steve Jobs? Yeah, it's the government. Could you put a historical location tracker on the iPhone and not tell anyone, so if Bin Laden buys one and then loses it we'll know where his cave is? Thanks."

"I was training in Mexico"

"Can we see your iPhone, Mr. Rasmussen?"


I have been intrigued in the last 24 hours by the difference between the horror that many expressed at the Patriot Act's mandate of potential access to library records and the "whatever, the government knows where I am anyway" response to the iPhone news. It's not just the passage of a few years, it's a generational shift. Some commented on gizmodo yesterday that society will be better off if we all know where everybody is all the time. Perhaps not contemplated: the ability to place a false locational record in that database and use it as evidence.

[little.man]

Here are articles on iPhones stashing location history:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/042011-iphone-secret-data.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2011-04-20

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215984/iPhone_secretly_tracks_user_location_say_researche rs?source=CTWNLE_nlt_security_2011-04-21&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fs%2Ffeed%2Fto pic%2F84+%28Computerworld+Privacy+News%29

Another one on Michican State Police scanning your phone (nothing to do with location necessarily, but interesting):

http://www.itworld.com/legal/157655/michigan-state-police-use-device-search-driver-cell-phones-during-traffic-stops?source=ITWNLE_nlt_thisweek_2011-04-21

Cannot find the one on LBM, Location Based Marketing, that uses the locator service. The marketers have yet to fully utilize that function. e.g. you walk into your favorite LBS and the phone automatically downloads a discount coupon for the store.

As for that gas station locator, there is a Shell locator app that will locate the nearest Shell station.

[Rueda Tropical]

Great, if they add ANT+ and I can retire my Garmin :)
There are about 4 AANT+ apps: http://ruedatropical.com/2009/02/iphone-cycling-applications/

Still having used several iPhone cycling apps I just bought a Garmin 500. The iPhone is really big on the bars and needs an additional battery (to last more then 1.5 hours with GPS) making it even bigger.

[gone]

Its the price you pay for the cool technology that nobody wants to pay for up front with memberships, subscriptions etc.
You want "free" internet? You have to pay for it.
VF

Indeed. If we'd just pay for it we could have advertisement free internet to go with our ad free cable TV.

[deechee]

I worked on cellphone location based services more than 10 years ago. This is nothing new at all. Apple has only managed to market it to the general population.

[Elefantino]

All of you are being tracked right now, as you read these posts.

Try to get away. Just try.

http://www.calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/big-brother-is-watching-you4-305x388.jpg

[William]

All of you are being tracked right now, as you read these posts.

Try to get away. Just try.

http://www.calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/big-brother-is-watching-you4-305x388.jpg


http://www.funny-potato.com/images/computers/government-watching/government.jpg


;)

[Bytesiz]

Look who's tracking you right now!

[JMerring]

Look who's tracking you right now!

i'll beat him to the punch: that's just nuts.

[roydyates]

I worked on cellphone location based services more than 10 years ago. This is nothing new at all. Apple has only managed to market it to the general population.

In fact, it was a government mandate back in the 90's for cellular 911 that pushed research in cellphone location based services. These days, location privacy is a hot topic in mobile computing research.

[Lifelover]

How many are or were you aware your I PHONE / I PAD has a app that tracks every where you have been.

Has your rights been violated.

Some like, others are outraged, especially when you were not aware of this capability !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTCAomf0bI


Anyone who ever watched 24 should know that you can be tracked via your cell phone.

People have been rescued because of it.

More non news.

[benner]

Another one for the pile:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/business/media/26privacy.html

This one is particularly interesting because it's the provider who tracked and saved the data. Lots of it.

[Louis]

A cell phone? What's that? :)

[BumbleBeeDave]

MSP says they are not doing it . . .

http://www.itworld.com/legal/158155/michigan-state-police-deny-using-cellphone-data-extraction-device-traffic-stops

. . . and they must be telling the truth. The State Police would never lie to us . . . Right?

BBD

Here are articles on iPhones stashing location history:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/042011-iphone-secret-data.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2011-04-20

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215984/iPhone_secretly_tracks_user_location_say_researche rs?source=CTWNLE_nlt_security_2011-04-21&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fs%2Ffeed%2Fto pic%2F84+%28Computerworld+Privacy+News%29

Another one on Michican State Police scanning your phone (nothing to do with location necessarily, but interesting):

http://www.itworld.com/legal/157655/michigan-state-police-use-device-search-driver-cell-phones-during-traffic-stops?source=ITWNLE_nlt_thisweek_2011-04-21

Cannot find the one on LBM, Location Based Marketing, that uses the locator service. The marketers have yet to fully utilize that function. e.g. you walk into your favorite LBS and the phone automatically downloads a discount coupon for the store.

As for that gas station locator, there is a Shell locator app that will locate the nearest Shell station.

[rugbysecondrow]

MSP says they are not doing it . . .

http://www.itworld.com/legal/158155/michigan-state-police-deny-using-cellphone-data-extraction-device-traffic-stops

. . . and they must be telling the truth. The State Police would never lie to us . . . Right?

BBD


The police have enough issues to deal with in road stops (threat of danger from car passengers, other passing traffic for starters) that I would be surprised if they were now adding this wrinkle into the equation for every single routine stop. Of course, they might dig deeper if they have suspicions, but I doubt they are secretly employing this device in every car in every case. Also, if you read the link below, the whole state only has 6 devices, hardly enough to be deployed for routine stops. In addition, the device appears to have to be plugged in to your device, so no secret download. A person has to physically hand over their phone over to the officer for download.

http://www.klpw.com/content/michigan-police-use-device-download-cellphone-data-aclu-objects-0

I would also add that with Michigan being a border state, it has a higher level of activity for drug trafficking and terrorist threats. So these devices would be helpful in dealing with those issues.

Take off your tin foil cap and put on your thinking cap. Is it likely that they are hiding the truth (since 2006 when they acquired these devices), creating a massive cover-up for how routine traffic stops are conducted across the state of Michigan OR Is it likely that they are utilizing the 6 devices they have in the manor they articulated, for criminal cases, special instances when there is a warrant or in instances when there is suspicion and the motorist gives permission and not for routine stops?
In this day and age, it seems unlikely they would be able to hide anything like this, especially for five years.

[Mr. Squirrel]

i'll beat him to the punch: that's just nuts.

i am watching you sir.

mr. squirrel

[godfrey1112000]

i AM GLAD MY PHONE STILL HAS WIRES ATTACHED TO IT

How many are or were you aware your I PHONE / I PAD has a app that tracks every where you have been.

Has your rights been violated.

Some like, others are outraged, especially when you were not aware of this capability !!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HTCAomf0bI

[BumbleBeeDave]

Take off your tin foil cap and put on your thinking cap.

. . . yet. I agree with most of what you say. It's extremely unlikely they will try to add yet another task to every traffic stop.

But programs like this are often trial balloon type things to gauge citizen reaction and get court precedents decided. How will citizens react to officers actually asking for your phone? Do you have to give it up if asked? Must the officer state a reason to meet probable cause requirements? What happens if you refuse? Can he arrest you? Or can he "detain" you like supreme Court ended up saying they can until they determine your identity if you refuse to identify yourself to them?

All of these questions need to be sorted out--change the phone reader to radar detector or stop-and-search and the routine is familiar. They're seeing what they can get away with and whether it needs fine tuning. If citizens refuse to hand over phones and the inevitable court challenge goes against them, then police will work with the company to modify the device. Why do you think cops now have laser speed evices? Because too many courts said they could not outlaw radar detectors, so the cops went back to the company and said "give us something else that works that people can't detect or get around" and the company complied.

Court challenges will probably force an eventual modification to this device so it doesn't need to be physically hooked up. I would predict they would ask for--and the company would eventually deliver--a device where officers can get your license, go back to their vehicle to "check your registration" and then read your phone remotely without your even knowing about it.

Government officials want to test this stuff and see how it works--or if it works. And they would much rather test it without any public scrutiny.

And what of the $544,000 the state cops want to charge the ACLU to get the info they are entitled to under FOIL?

It's very likely the SP is claiming it's a "copy fee" or some such to cover "reasonable costs" of reproducing the material to meet the request. After 30 years in journalism this whole routine is all too familiar. Courts again and again have said agencies must comply with the law but can charge reasonable copy fees.

So bureaucrats take advantage of that and claim these fees are "reasonable" and try to charge $1 page or some such and artificially inflate the number of pages needed to meet the request--all in a pretty transparent effort to subvert the law and say "Eff YOU!" to orgs like the ACLU, local media, and any local gadfly who scrutinizes them. As a journalist I've seen this same routine over and over and OVER again on both the local, county, and state levels. "Open" government doesn't want you to know what they are doing.

So I will refrain from making my tinfoil hat if you agree to take off your rose-colored glases for few minutes . . . :D

BBD

[rugbysecondrow]

. . . yet. I agree with most of what you say. It's extremely unlikely they will try to add yet another task to every traffic stop.

But programs like this are often trial balloon type things to gauge citizen reaction and get court precedents decided. How will citizens react to officers actually asking for your phone? Do you have to give it up if asked? Must the officer state a reason to meet probable cause requirements? What happens if you refuse? Can he arrest you? Or can he "detain" you like supreme Court ended up saying they can until they determine your identity if you refuse to identify yourself to them?

All of these questions need to be sorted out--change the phone reader to radar detector or stop-and-search and the routine is familiar. They're seeing what they can get away with and whether it needs fine tuning. If citizens refuse to hand over phones and the inevitable court challenge goes against them, then police will work with the company to modify the device. Why do you think cops now have laser speed evices? Because too many courts said they could not outlaw radar detectors, so the cops went back to the company and said "give us something else that works that people can't detect or get around" and the company complied.

Court challenges will probably force an eventual modification to this device so it doesn't need to be physically hooked up. I would predict they would ask for--and the company would eventually deliver--a device where officers can get your license, go back to their vehicle to "check your registration" and then read your phone remotely without your even knowing about it.

Government officials want to test this stuff and see how it works--or if it works. And they would much rather test it without any public scrutiny.

And what of the $544,000 the state cops want to charge the ACLU to get the info they are entitled to under FOIL?

It's very likely the SP is claiming it's a "copy fee" or some such to cover "reasonable costs" of reproducing the material to meet the request. After 30 years in journalism this whole routine is all too familiar. Courts again and again have said agencies must comply with the law but can charge reasonable copy fees.

So bureaucrats take advantage of that and claim these fees are "reasonable" and try to charge $1 page or some such and artificially inflate the number of pages needed to meet the request--all in a pretty transparent effort to subvert the law and say "Eff YOU!" to orgs like the ACLU, local media, and any local gadfly who scrutinizes them. As a journalist I've seen this same routine over and over and OVER again on both the local, county, and state levels. "Open" government doesn't want you to know what they are doing.

So I will refrain from making my tinfoil hat if you agree to take off your rose-colored glases for few minutes . . . :D

BBD

No rose colored glasses, just trying to be realistic about this. I am glad there are folks like the ACLU or media pushing back on this, but the FOIA dance that agencies and the ACLU will engage in is that, a dance. It will get sorted out and the information will come to light. Sure, the MSP likely are being defiant to the ACLU, but the ACLU, media and other entities have been known to go fishing with endless FOIA requests, so we can't look at these as isolated instances, but rather in the context of the FOIA system as a whole. The ACLU made their request in 2008, so I am curious about what has occured in the last 3 years. If there was more to this story, I bet the ACLU would push the issue harder than it looks like they have.

If I got pulled over and they asked for my phone, to search my vehicle or my person, the answer is NO. If they asked for my ID or insurance, sure, that is fair. To me, this is a different issue than the one raised by the OP which is unknown information being lifted from my phone or tracked.

[Vientomas]

You do realize the the police are within their legal rights to place a GPS device on your vehicle and track your movements without a warrant?

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1497005.html

UNITED STATES v. PINEDA MORENO
UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Juan PINEDA-MORENO, Defendant-Appellant.

No. 08-30385.

Argued and Submitted Oct. 5, 2009. -- January 11, 2010