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ultraman6970
02-02-2011, 07:20 PM
For me Is not a colnago but the lug work at least look pretty similar...

Comments?

Link to ebay... (http://cgi.ebay.com/ROAD-FRAME-FRAMESET-COLNAGO-54-cm-RETRO-VINTAGE-/110643760256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c2e1cc80)

Thanks.
StellaBlue
02-02-2011, 08:21 PM
IMO, Yes... What makes you feel it's a fake?
jtakeda
02-02-2011, 08:24 PM
Hmm, the repaint makes me think about it. But I'm going to go with yes.
54ny77
02-02-2011, 08:41 PM
def. a repaint.

in later years the dropouts would be stamped "colnago" (which i had) but earlier versions used campy from what i understand (and also had).
ergott
02-02-2011, 08:45 PM
Don't forget $95 for shipping.
Fixed
02-02-2011, 08:48 PM
i would bet 70 frame
maybe
i had a mexico
but i can barely remember it was so many years ago
i do remember the paint was really good and it had a chrome fork with colnago engraved into it
cheers
StellaBlue
02-02-2011, 08:51 PM
def. a repaint.

in later years the dropouts would be stamped "colnago" (which i had) but earlier versions used campy from what i understand (and also had).

True, but as the sellers guestimate production date would be the capmagnolo drop outs.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7560/img2892b.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/img2892b.jpg/)

I think it's real w/ a poor re spray.
bike22
02-02-2011, 08:54 PM
most definitely real.

i'm also not surprised at $95 shipping from ukraine to usa.
Wilkinson4
02-02-2011, 09:39 PM
Maybe 76/77 mexico oro? No club on the fork crown, fluted seat stays, cable guides on top tube.

mIKE
jtakeda
02-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I'm not sure about the date when they switched from campy dropouts to colnago dropouts.

For reference, I have an 88 superissimo that has Campy dropouts.

You should ask the seller if the dropouts are campy, colnago, neither?

From what I can tell it looks real.
texbike
02-02-2011, 10:00 PM
That's definitely the real thing- at least the frame is. However, I don't think that is a Colnago fork. The crown would be shaped a bit differently (more of a flat crown) with a clover panto'd into the crown on each side OR a similar sloping crown with the Colnago "C" depending on the year.

As for a year model, I would guess 76/77 as it has the longer rear 1010A drop-outs and braze-ons for the DT shifters, top tube cable routing, and cages. If I remember correctly, the shorter (1010B) rear drop-outs started appearing around 1978. It definitely doesn't have the drive-side drop out that has been drilled for a PortaCatena which appeared around 78/79. I may be off on my dates by a couple of years on these...

Here's a guide: http://campagnolo.wikispaces.com/Dropouts .

Texbike
rwsaunders
02-02-2011, 10:08 PM
Do you really want to buy a used frame from the Ukraine?
roydyates
02-02-2011, 10:29 PM
Do you really want to buy a used frame from the Ukraine?
You'd feel better about a new frame from the Ukraine? :)
vjp
02-03-2011, 12:17 AM
It is a 71/72 frame with a non Colnago fork. It has had TT cable guides, shifter bosses and under BB guides added.

vjp
thinpin
02-03-2011, 12:48 AM
Do you really want to buy a used frame from the Ukraine?
Crooks abound. Why is the Ukraine any better or worse than anywhere else?
A mate got a scapin from the Ukraine 8 months ago for $200 + $100 shipping. Great codition and great bargin. :beer:
zetroc
02-03-2011, 02:32 AM
As others have said, the fork is definitely not original. The fork crown is much too late for the frame judging from the long dropouts.

Also, the drive side dropout is bent downwards.

It does look like an early 70s model otherwise.
R2D2
02-03-2011, 03:06 AM
As others have said, the fork is definitely not original. The fork crown is much too late for the frame judging from the long dropouts.

Also, the drive side dropout is bent downwards.

It does look like an early 70s model otherwise.

Additionally there wasn't any 130mm spacing during the stated prodction dates of 1980-1985. So the rear spacing has been modified. Or it is not from that time period.
Germany_chris
02-03-2011, 03:13 AM
Those dropouts at least the one picture are not long. My guess is it's more recent than the 99 I just sold. I can't get the full picure because at work I cannot access ebay.
Germany_chris
02-03-2011, 03:18 AM
Those dropouts at least the one picture are not long. My guess is it's more recent than the 99 I just sold. I can't get the full picure because at work I cannot access ebay.
Wilkinson4
02-03-2011, 08:59 AM
It is a 71/72 frame with a non Colnago fork. It has had TT cable guides, shifter bosses and under BB guides added.

vjp

I think you may be right... The seat stay flutes are shorter than later models to my eye.

mIKE
Vancouverdave
02-03-2011, 09:36 AM
Possibly real--but the frame (LONG dropouts) is older than the fork. Colnago's detailing has never, ever been as fine as some of the US custom builders whose work has given us a high visual standard. A really great Colnago has metalwork that Ben Serotta would never let out of his factory.
I'll say it's an early 1970's frame with a fork at least ten years newer.
FlashUNC
02-03-2011, 10:30 AM
Looks like it was repainted with a brush and a roller...

(Okay, a bit of hyperbole, but not the best respray in the world.)
rwsaunders
02-03-2011, 11:43 AM
Crooks abound. Why is the Ukraine any better or worse than anywhere else? :beer:

No question that there are no borders for the bad guys. I thought that only mail order brides came from the Ukraine... :cool:
thinpin
02-03-2011, 10:23 PM
No question that there are no borders for the bad guys. I thought that only mail order brides came from the Ukraine... :cool:
Ah you have one too! :D
itsflantastic
02-03-2011, 11:03 PM
I must say, the dissection of this frame was quite masterful and impressive. You guys sure know your stuff.