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lemania
12-13-2010, 05:22 PM
There was quite a controversy about the true validity of this bike, but is the final price the true story?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=330505150829&si=Vkqkijr%252F3E0%252BqX6Va8pvwdctesU%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESINDXX%3AIT
rugbysecondrow
12-13-2010, 05:29 PM
I have got to say, I don't get it.
rice rocket
12-13-2010, 05:49 PM
There was quite a controversy about the true validity of this bike, but is the final price the true story?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=330505150829&si=Vkqkijr%252F3E0%252BqX6Va8pvwdctesU%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMESINDXX%3AIT
The man made 135 bikes. How many Serottas are there?

You do the math.
ergott
12-13-2010, 06:33 PM
The man made 135 bikes. How many Serottas are there?

You do the math.

So if I make one frame will mine be worth even more?
rice rocket
12-13-2010, 06:44 PM
Depends on how many people you can dupe into thinking that you know what you're doing.

You'd probably have to off yourself for it to really climb in value though. No one's gonna pay top dollar when they know you *could* make another one.
Louis
12-13-2010, 06:55 PM
So if I make one frame will mine be worth even more?

You need to stop making wheels then die tomorrow. Perhaps then a dented Ergott wheel will be worth $1000.

Since I don't own any of your wheels I won't be rooting for your untimely death, but if I were you I'd be careful doing a fast hilly ride with guys who do own some of your stuff.
ergott
12-13-2010, 07:02 PM
Duly noted :cool:
pbjbike
12-13-2010, 08:05 PM
Too many Serottas made for the vintage bikes to gain much. Colnago built many more but kept the brand value intact somehow. Cinelli missed the boat: They should be on top of the heap for anything they ever made, IMO.
oliver1850
12-13-2010, 08:22 PM
I'm with Rugby. I never understood the wanting to have something because it was "rare" thing. I guess I buy things to use and keep, not to speculate. For that price you could have 10 nice used Serottas, and a lot more fun with them.
rice rocket
12-13-2010, 08:24 PM
I'm with Rugby. I never understood the wanting to have something because it was "rare" thing. I guess I buy things to use and keep, not to speculate. For that price you could have 10 nice used Serottas, and a lot more fun with them.
It's art, embodied in a bike.

Yeah, Van Gogh paintings don't "do" anything better than a blank wall either. Or Picassos. etc. etc.
StellaBlue
12-13-2010, 08:26 PM
I hope this was a joke
StellaBlue
12-13-2010, 08:34 PM
Too many Serottas made for the vintage bikes to gain much. Colnago built many more but kept the brand value intact somehow. Cinelli missed the boat: They should be on top of the heap for anything they ever made, IMO.

Steel nags ain't going for great prices.
oliver1850
12-13-2010, 10:03 PM
It's art, embodied in a bike.

Yeah, Van Gogh paintings don't "do" anything better than a blank wall either. Or Picassos. etc. etc.

OK point taken. I've never been close to one, and can't really assess how much more artful it is compared to other nicely made bikes. I think much of the price still has to be attributed to rarity, rather than intrinsic characteristics.
fourflys
12-13-2010, 11:18 PM
two points,

1. you think they could have thrown in shipping for $10k...

2. do you think many people would be that surprised if a Sachs was selling for that much? And he made a lot more than 135 bikes...

just something to ponder... but, yeah $10k is pretty out there...
handsomerob
12-13-2010, 11:38 PM
The man made 135 bikes. How many Serottas are there?

You do the math.

I am no bike historian, but the guy made 135 bikes under his own brand.... but I believe he made quite a few more than that before striking out on his own.
BengeBoy
12-14-2010, 12:02 AM
I will confess I had never heard of this builder until about 18 months ago, when one of his frames came up for sale and sold for $8,000-ish, as I remember.

Lots of to-ing and fro-ing on the Internets about what his frames are "worth;" my economics textbook tells me they are "worth" whatever a willing buyer and seller agree on. eBay is as good a place as any to strike a deal.

In any case, there was a very interesting blog about him, here it is. Worth reading:

http://italiancyclingjournal.blogspot.com/2008/02/mario-confente.html
flickwet
12-14-2010, 10:22 AM
The Birth of the Cool? I don't have that Kind of Jack but if I did that's historic ***** right there man. AND that's why I love this forum just went on a trip to like 3 different website/blogs whatever and learned me some serious truth.
snah
12-14-2010, 10:33 AM
Rumor has it the buyer is one of our own.....

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=82214

Liberace, any comments??????
mister
12-14-2010, 10:37 AM
Rumor has it the buyer is one of our own.....

http://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=82214

Liberace, any comments??????

liberace is not the buyer of the $10000 confente.
he's the buyer of a $1000 confente from craigslist...of which the bike is now for auction on ebay and will probably sell for around 10k as well.
snah
12-14-2010, 02:53 PM
liberace is not the buyer of the $10000 confente.
he's the buyer of a $1000 confente from craigslist...of which the bike is now for auction on ebay and will probably sell for around 10k as well.

My fault, that's for clearing. :)