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fiamme red
01-20-2010, 01:22 PM
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/phys-ed-will-olympic-athletes-dope-if-they-know-it-might-kill-them/

There’s a well-known survey in sports, known as the Goldman Dilemma. For it, a researcher, Bob Goldman, began asking elite athletes in the 1980s whether they would take a drug that guaranteed them a gold medal but would also kill them within five years. More than half of the athletes said yes. When he repeated the survey biannually for the next decade, the results were always the same. About half of the athletes were quite ready to take the bargain.

Only recently did researchers get around to asking nonathletes the same question. In results published online in February, 2009 in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, exactly 2 of the 250 people surveyed in Sydney, Australia, said that they would take a drug that would ensure both success and an early death. “We were surprised,” James Connor, Ph.D., a lecturer at the University of New South Wales and one of the study’s authors, said in an e-mail message. “I expected 10-20 percent yes.” His conclusion, unassailable if inexplicable, is that “elite athletes are different from the general population, especially on desire to win.”

djg
01-20-2010, 02:11 PM
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/phys-ed-will-olympic-athletes-dope-if-they-know-it-might-kill-them/

There’s a well-known survey in sports, known as the Goldman Dilemma. For it, a researcher, Bob Goldman, began asking elite athletes in the 1980s whether they would take a drug that guaranteed them a gold medal but would also kill them within five years. More than half of the athletes said yes. When he repeated the survey biannually for the next decade, the results were always the same. About half of the athletes were quite ready to take the bargain.

Only recently did researchers get around to asking nonathletes the same question. In results published online in February, 2009 in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, exactly 2 of the 250 people surveyed in Sydney, Australia, said that they would take a drug that would ensure both success and an early death. “We were surprised,” James Connor, Ph.D., a lecturer at the University of New South Wales and one of the study’s authors, said in an e-mail message. “I expected 10-20 percent yes.” His conclusion, unassailable if inexplicable, is that “elite athletes are different from the general population, especially on desire to win.”

Well, maybe, but surveys are surveys and at least a couple of things jump out (from the post -- I haven't read the paper). First, I wonder whether the results are age-adjusted. Young folks tend to have high discount rates in all sorts of ways, favoring early rewards over long-term ones much more than other adults (elite athletes come in different ages, but probably cluster in their 20s and, in some sports, even teens). Second, asking elite, olympic sport athletes what they might trade for the prize many regard as a life's dream, at a time when they are dedicating their efforts towards pursuing that dream, might be a really different sort of question from the apparently vague success plus early death question posed to the general population.

false_Aest
01-20-2010, 02:47 PM
Eh.

When there's pressure to perform; when you make performance your life . . .



"I don't like the drugs but the drugs like me."

gasman
01-20-2010, 04:57 PM
I'd start doping at age 85 if it meant I could win Olympic gold. Not before.

harryschwartzma
01-20-2010, 05:25 PM
This is no mystery to dopers. Plenty of cyclists have died from doping.

Z3c
01-20-2010, 05:26 PM
People still take up smoking.......

gemship
01-20-2010, 06:20 PM
People still take up smoking.......

as well as drinking, alcohol, soda. and eating sweets, and eating processed foods, excessively etc, etc.

rockdude
01-20-2010, 08:36 PM
This doesn't shock me. Elite Athletes get to where they are by going the extra mile, being more deicated and having the willingness to do what every it takes. Many Eilte Athletes give up the most important things in life just to be half ass pro. To be a Star and have a name in history history books for a shorter life is an ez discision for most of them.

Lifelover
01-20-2010, 09:31 PM
Will athletes dope if they know it may kill them?

Yes.